New Mailing from Leonidas,llc to USAIRWAYS East Pilots"

[cactusboy53]

If the west guys all want to stay west [side of the country] then they will have no problem signing a lifetime fence keeping them in PHX/LAS, right.

You guys can have NIC all you want just sign a lifetime fence on your PHX and LAS base. If you bid out of PHX/LAS then it is DOH.

"If" you wish in one hand and deficate in the other, do you know what you get when you put your hands together? Exactly what you have got.

There is no one that has the ability, right or authority to "negotiate" away from the middle ground that we now inhabit ---that would be the Nicolau Award. We will not bend, we will not fold, we will not capitulate, we stand firmly on LEGAL, MORAL & ETHICAL grounds. We are WELL FUNDED, and ultimately we will succeed.

You have to ask yourself these questions:
1. Am I willing to work for LOA 93 wages forever?
2. WHEN a court finally forces the Nicolau Award (no fence, no C & R's) upon you, will the loss of MILLIONS of dollars really have been worth it?

If you answer YES, then there is little hope for you. Elvis & logic have left the building.

 

[LearLove]

I'm sorry, but are the ones who would rather be on long overnights in Europe, the same ones who are mad when they come home and find out thet their wife has been giving airstarts to the neighborhood,the teenage daughter is pregnant,and son is wearing a dress? My comment is not directed at any specific post, but rather, are some peoples choices made in the best interest of your family, or your own selfish desires?

actually the Euro skeds are 3 days that start late and end early on day 3. Better than most domestic 4 days or 3 day followed by a 2 day lines.

as for 1 days - I'd take them also if I lived 30 minutes from the airport. In fact if I move to CLT and buy where I want to buy I would bid 1 day trips.

 

[cactusboy53]

If the west guys all want to stay west [side of the country] then they will have no problem signing a lifetime fence keeping them in PHX/LAS, right.

You guys can have NIC all you want just sign a lifetime fence on your PHX and LAS base. If you bid out of PHX/LAS then it is DOH.

Oh wait, this may expain the above:

Posts: 3,661
Civ/Mil: .
A/C Flown: E-190, Dash8, PA31-350, T-34B
Ratings: ATP E-190, DHC-8, CFI
Curr Position: E-190 FO
Total Time: 10,000

CEL List? I think that might be a safe bet. So what you are really saying is that you don't want any westies out in PHL until such time that you occupy a left seat narrow body, right?

 

[LearLove]

Oh wait, this may expain the above:

Posts: 3,661
Civ/Mil: .
A/C Flown: E-190, Dash8, PA31-350, T-34B
Ratings: ATP E-190, DHC-8, CFI
Curr Position: E-190 FO
Total Time: 10,000

CEL List? I think that might be a safe bet.

yep, and NIC or DOH is maybe 50 to 75 numbers diff. to me. Not much on a 5000 (ish) combined list and especially that I am in my mid 30's. So my standing up for DOH shows that it is my principles I'm backing not "self purpose".

 

[xrated]

.....

 

[cactusboy53]

yep, and NIC or DOH is maybe 50 to 75 numbers diff. to me. Not much on a 5000 (ish) combined list and especially that I am in my mid 30's. So my standing up for DOH shows that it is my principles I'm backing not "self purpose".

Principles:

So if the two pilot groups stay separate or we sign a contract that restricts west pilots from PHL, CLT or DCA....you would gain subsancially regarding base seniority (certainly NOT MONEY, TIME OFF, VACATION, STD, LTD, or any other segment)....just BASE SENIORITY.

Principle: To keep one's word. To be held to a higher standard. A man's word is his bond. As in back in the day, you shook a person's hand and expected both parties to abide by the agreement.

Date of Hire has not been a part of Airline Pilot seniority for nearly two decades. In fact the ALPA merger policy that was used when AWA acquired US Air was crafted by the US Air ALPA. You just can't have your cake and eat it too.

Sorry Sport, you are on the wrong side of the law & fence. If you are lucky, it may only cost you the money that has been lost in the lack of a new contract.

 

[LearLove]

....you would gain subsancially regarding base seniority .

Are you stupid? You know you can buy "Hooked on Phonics" online.
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/learn-to-read/?ShowPopup=0&gclid=CP39u4e76KcCFYbb4AoddGfRaw

It may help with your reading comprehension.

I hardly think 50 to 75 numbers (the aprox. amount hired at AWA from AUG 2004 to the merger) spread out over 3 bases (minus the ones staying out west) would be a "gain substantially".

 

[xrated]

I didn't get this mailing for some reason...was I fired? The last one was very misleading. For instance in all the graphs and tables it gave no mention to the many widebody FO seats we have that the west does not. Many of us, me included, would rather be a happy (not angry) block holding widebody FO then a reserve minibus captain because the quality of life would be much higher and the pay not so differant. I hope I get to see a copy of the new one!!

Define "many widebody FO seats". Airways has the smallest widebody fleet of all the majors and it seems to give all the Easties a real H@rd on that conceivably, West pilots could move to 1/3 of those spots. I have yet to talk to any West pilots who give a Rat$ a$$ about commuting to PHL for that crap. Keep in mind the wide boddy fleet is so small, that most East pilots will never have the opportunity to fly them anyways.

While yes, under Nic, West may have a chance at 1/3 of the wide body seats, but the East will have a chance of 2/3's of the seats out West.

With DOH, and C&R's, the East wants it ALL!! That will NOT happen!!

 

[cactusboy53]

Are you stupid? You know you can buy "Hooked on Phonics" online.
http://www.hookedonphonics.com/learn-to-read/?ShowPopup=0&gclid=CP39u4e76KcCFYbb4AoddGfRaw

It may help with your reading comprehension.

I hardly think 50 to 75 numbers (the aprox. amount hired at AWA from AUG 2004 to the merger) spread out over 3 bases (minus the ones staying out west) would be a "gain substantially".

I'm not stupid, sonny. I simply said that if we had separate operations you would gain as such. No "westies" to invade your territory. You would move up with attrition & retirements. Any additional flying added to PHL, CLT & DCA would also add to your position in a separate operation.

You stated you wanted some sort of guarantee that would keep all of us wide-body-money-grubbing-dirt-bag-westies from your rightful seat (sorry, my words.....surely not yours). It just sounds like your skewed definition of principle is just exactly that.

Have a wonderful evening. I've got an early flight to operate.

 

[Metrojet]

"If" you wish in one hand and deficate in the other, do you know what you get when you put your hands together? Exactly what you have got.

There is no one that has the ability, right or authority to "negotiate" away from the middle ground that we now inhabit ---that would be the Nicolau Award. We will not bend, we will not fold, we will not capitulate, we stand firmly on LEGAL, MORAL & ETHICAL grounds. We are WELL FUNDED, and ultimately we will succeed.

You have to ask yourself these questions:
1. Am I willing to work for LOA 93 wages forever?
2. WHEN a court finally forces the Nicolau Award (no fence, no C & R's) upon you, will the loss of MILLIONS of dollars really have been worth it?

If you answer YES, then there is little hope for you. Elvis & logic have left the building.

Cactusboy -

Pretty strong posistion you take - exactly how 99% feel on the East regarding Section 22. If you want a joint contract - it is very simple - take the 10 year fence - since after 10 years - the majority of pilots here will be westies - in the mean time - all age 60+ pilot here are eligible for PBGC and in 20 months we will have dozens of people retiring every year (so all your so called "angry fo's will upgrade).

Try this on for size - do you know what the Prime Minister of Israel says when the world blames Israel for all the middle East problems - he says it is very simple to secure peace - GIVE UP - that is what the West wants.
The West wants to come and occupy our land (clt and phl), our house (our cockpits) and take what they never had a claim to.

SOLUTION - The West stays in PHX and LAS - the EAST stays in CLT, PHL, and DCA.

Metrojet

 

[xrated]

The West wants to come and occupy our land (clt and phl), our house (our cockpits) and take what they never had a claim to.

You better hope you don't get selected for a random drug test anytime soon, cause you're going to fail...BIG!!!

 

[vetrider]

The east thinks that just because they've been humored so far, it will always be so.

 

[becket]

The east thinks that just because they've been humored so far, it will always be so.

Yeah, as humorous as LOA93 Shoved up their tailpipes in perpetuity can be.

 

[reepicheep]

No it's true; Metrojet is right. Leonidas got hold of a bunch of old C-47's and recruited some guys from the 101st. They're training all the west guys in night jumps. Handing out clickers. June 6 is the day. PA & NC.

 

[charlie2]

Define "many widebody FO seats". Airways has the smallest widebody fleet of all the majors and it seems to give all the Easties a real H@rd on that conceivably, West pilots could move to 1/3 of those spots. I have yet to talk to any West pilots who give a Rat$ a$$ about commuting to PHL for that crap. Keep in mind the wide boddy fleet is so small, that most East pilots will never have the opportunity to fly them anyways.

While yes, under Nic, West may have a chance at 1/3 of the wide body seats, but the East will have a chance of 2/3's of the seats out West.

With DOH, and C&R's, the East wants it ALL!! That will NOT happen!!

We have almost 500 widebody FO's.

 

[Guppiedriver]

The majority of the airline pilots that I know would commute to a higher paying position...they owe it to their family to make more money. I have in the past and would in the future. I would even commute to ANC to be a wide body captain so my kid could go to a good college...wouldn't you? The higher paying jobs are in PHL and CLT and the nic award puts many PHX based pilots on those higher paying jobs.

Are you contradicting yourself? If you signed up for the Kirby Proposal + 8 to 10%, you would get a handsome raise and you wouldn't need to commute to get the bigger paycheck.

Don't you owe it to your family to get an easy raise?

 

[charlie2]

Are you contradicting yourself? If you signed up for the Kirby Proposal + 8 to 10%, you would get a handsome raise and you wouldn't need to commute to get the bigger paycheck.

Don't you owe it to your family to get an easy raise?

There's way more to a contract than pay rates and the Kirby thing is really bad.

 

[TWA Dude]

For those who are curious the brochure will soon be available on www.cactuspilot.com
The previous ones are there now.

Obviously not many Easties will read and comprehend the material yet the mailings serve another important purpose: they are a visual display of resolve (VDR). Rumors are constantly started on the East that the West is losing resolve or Leonidas is underfunded. These glossy, factual pamphlets mailed to their homes are a kick-in-the-face reminder to the East that the West will not lie down and allow the tyranny of the majority to steal what we're entitled to.

 

[charlie2]

I'll definitely read it like I did the last one.

 

[C Festerpuss]

It's a startin to look like them lenoarditis dudes has stepped in it.

There is a letter goin out that sez that a West pilot dune gave Leonarditis a spread sheet with Social Security numbers on it.

The company sez the is goin to buy lifelock security for all East piluts who is worried that they may have idenity iformation leaked.


The compeny has tole Lenoarditis that they kaint;

• use that information
• they has to destroy what they arleady has

The company has also:

• Apprpriate government agencies has been notificated
• Hired outside lawyers
• Put three US Airways pilots, one managment pilot and two others on administrative leave pending investigation.

Get yer hi-top boots on boys, its a gettin deep.

 

[charlie2]

It's a startin to look like them lenoarditis dudes has stepped in it.

There is a letter goin out that sez that a West pilot dune gave Leonarditis a spread sheet with Social Security numbers on it.

The company sez the is goin to buy lifelock security for all East piluts who is worried that they may have idenity iformation leaked.



The compeny has tole Lenoarditis that they kaint;

• use that information
• they has to destroy what they arleady has

The company has also:

• Apprpriate government agencies has been notificated
• Hired outside lawyers
• Put three US Airways pilots, one managment pilot and two others on administrative leave pending investigation.

Get yer hi-top boots on boys, its a gettin deep.

If it's true I hope they get fired. I don't mind them having my mailing address but having my ssn is going to far.

 

[TWA Dude]

There is a letter goin out that sez that a West pilot dune gave Leonarditis a spread sheet with Social Security numbers on it.

Unsubstantiated rumor.

 

[Guppiedriver]

There's way more to a contract than pay rates and the Kirby thing is really bad.

You said you would commute to PANC for a bigger check. Now you want better work rules too? Looks like you won't get either with USAPA.

 

[TWA Dude]

Unsubstantiated rumor.

I was wrong. Just read the letter from company lawyer confirming it. Leonidas didn't even know there were SSNs in their Excel files so they weren't accessed. Regardless, looks likes a couple of guys might get in trouble. Since their actions were well-intentioned I hope not.

 

[charlie2]

You said you would commute to PANC for a bigger check. Now you want better work rules too? Looks like you won't get either with USAPA.

I was thinking more scope than work rules. Kirby wants much more outsourcing and no minimum utilization rates which effectivley makes a fleet min meaningless. It doesn't matter what the name of the union is. This is a dysfunctional family with a long history of infighting when were ALPA so am I surprised there is infighting with the new union?

 

[Bringupthebird]

It's a startin to look like them lenoarditis dudes has stepped in it.

There is a letter goin out that sez that a West pilot dune gave Leonarditis a spread sheet with Social Security numbers on it.

The company sez the is goin to buy lifelock security for all East piluts who is worried that they may have idenity iformation leaked.


The compeny has tole Lenoarditis that they kaint;

• use that information
• they has to destroy what they arleady has

The company has also:

• Apprpriate government agencies has been notificated
• Hired outside lawyers
• Put three US Airways pilots, one managment pilot and two others on administrative leave pending investigation.

Get yer hi-top boots on boys, its a gettin deep.

There is no such thing as administrative leave (cops and other civil servants get that, not pilots) which should heve been your first clue that this was made up drivel.

Why would the company hire outside lawyers? They already have a number of firms on retainer!

Now go find another boogieman to satisfy yourself!

 

[MCDU]

A special 800 number for lifelock has been set up all for East pilots whose identity and SS have been compromised by some West Pilots. This is going to get expensive for the army of leotards once the lawyers get to work. 3 Westies suspended pending felony investigation.

M

 

[Rough67]

Www.cactuspilot.com


Today, USAPA released a letter from Cleary to Mr. Parker accusing a West pilot and Leonidas of several violations of federal law. You can read Cleary's letter here. The first sentence of the second paragraph in reads: "Notwithstanding these alarming developments, the Company has determined that neither the individual responsible for the theft nor those who received the stolen property will suffer any consequences." In other words, the company investigated USAPA's claims and determined that no action should be taken. We at Leonidas feel there is nothing else that needs to be said about USAPA's petty and needlessly divisive allegations.

Sincerely,

Leonidas LLC

 

[Turtle21]

Please do not attack the messenger, was there anything in the message that was false or misleading? Don't let the truth get in the way of your angry f/o life!

No attacks. You think I read it? Ha!

The ALPA Concerned Pilots Committee also sent me a boat load of mailings trying to convince me to vote in their favor. I never opened them either. Google the "ALPA Concerned Pilots Committee" to see what Leonidas will be in a year or two.

I hope Leonidas keeps sending out their mailings... maybe they could adopt a goat as a mascot/emblem.

 

[cactusboy53]

A special 800 number for lifelock has been set up all for East pilots whose identity and SS have been compromised by some West Pilots. This is going to get expensive for the army of leotards once the lawyers get to work. 3 Westies suspended pending felony investigation.

M

Marty;
You must have missed this VERY important point in Johnson's letter:

“..the social security numbers were discovered yesterday for the first time because that information was embedded and hidden in the spreadsheet in a way that was truncated, not labeled and required an unusual excel command for access. Although this is disturbing, the responsible persons at Leonidas have assured us that they did not know this information existed and our preliminary investigation suggests that no one at Leonidas discovered or accessed that information…”

So is USAPA going to sue Sears, Target, JC Penny, JC Whitney, Kroger's, etc. What a bunch of stinkin' crybabys...:bawling:. Hey! Maybe USAPA will fire up the critical incident repsonse phone lines for those that have gotten the pamphlet and are upset.

Here's a thought: Instead of throwing pamphlet 3 on the ground and stomping all over it....why don't you challenge yourself to read the content and TRY to prove any of it is a lie.

Click them ruby shoes, Dorothy. Kansas is just around the corner!!