New DAL senority List

[GogglesPisano]

I agree with JetJockey. As another junior ER pilot I fear losing my seat in a shifting of flying. I can see myself on a narrow body out of DTW this time next year..... .

I used to think the same. I used to complain about flying the "RJ" across the pond because of the cramped flight deck and the stretch to the comm panel for the IRO.

Not any more.

Now I just want to keep my job.

Flying a DC9 out of DTW would sound pretty nice if I were on furlough.

 

[koepp]

I wonder what's the most junior captain hire at NWA flying the 330

330A: 05-1985
B-767-400A: 03-1989

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I used to think the same. I used to complain about flying the "RJ" across the pond because of the cramped flight deck and the stretch to the comm panel for the IRO.

Not any more.

Now I just want to keep my job.

Flying a DC9 out of DTW would sound pretty nice if I were on furlough.

No kidding... Also, don't the airlines tend to pay hotels and positive space displaced guys for some time. Unless you LIVE immediately in your present base that would be great.

 

[General Lee]

Are you kidding? I guess you must not fly international. If you did, you would realize that at your percentage you could hold a line and have a good life, before. Now, you are going to be stagnant for the next five years with a bunch on NWA guys wanting to fly little 767s all over Europe and South America. We junior guys got *********************D, by our own union first, 2nd class furlough protection for post 9/11 new hires, and now this. Hopefully NWA won't bid our planes an bases all at once.

If you were integrated and a NWA guy junior to you was hired before Sept 1st, 2001, then you too get "somewhat" furlough protection, since it would make DL get rid of 6 seats in every 76 seat RJ if they furloughed the guy junior to you. If the NWA guy below you was hired after Sept 1st, 2001, then I don't think you qualify. Still, NWA will be retiring 1000 or more in the next 5 years, and then we retire a load after that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[poor2thecore]

Does anyone think there might be a chance of expanding the SEA domicile?

 

[propdog]

Does anyone think there might be a chance of expanding the SEA domicile?

Maybe...SEA used to be huge for NW at one time. They are exploring new markets from SEA, especially to the far-east. That is one reason of the new code-share agreement with Alaskan. Hopefully we can get enough feed to expand further markets from SEA.

Now, there is also a chance of a future merger with Alaska.

 

[fareview]

Question from the neutral sidelines:

Can a DAL 76ER FO with an early 2008 hire date (pre April 08) be displaced from his seat (to a DC-9 for instance) by a more senior NWA hire in the near future?

fv

 

[Superpilot92]

Question from the neutral sidelines:

Can a DAL 76ER FO with an early 2008 hire date (pre April 08) be displaced from his seat (to a DC-9 for instance) by a more senior NWA hire in the near future?

fv

no
.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Superpilot is correct...there is a specific clause in the award stating that cannot happen, as well as vice versa.

That being said..with the aircraft that are going to be moved around, I think the nwa guys are gonna be grabbing at the large number of "light twins" available as they are opening new bases and shrinking others.

 

[Superpilot92]

Superpilot is correct...there is a specific clause in the award stating that cannot happen, as well as vice versa.

That being said..with the aircraft that are going to be moved around, I think the nwa guys are gonna be grabbing at the large number of "light twins" available as they are opening new bases and shrinking others.

I think you will see people do what they can to stay in their current aircraft or bases. For instance in my case i would like to stay in my aircraft and my base. Now if they move the bus out of my base then i either have to change bases or aircraft. its all going to depend on what mgmts plans are with bases and aircraft. until that happens there is no real way to tell how the cards will fall.

 

[DTW320]

Superpilot is correct...there is a specific clause in the award stating that cannot happen, as well as vice versa.

That being said..with the aircraft that are going to be moved around, I think the nwa guys are gonna be grabbing at the large number of "light twins" available as they are opening new bases and shrinking others.

Unless they do the bulk of the moving around prior to SOC right?

 

[fareview]

no
.

Cheers,

Good luck to all the pilots at the new Delta.

fv

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Unless they do the bulk of the moving around prior to SOC right?

Doubtful, IMHO.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Part of my post was tongue in cheek, I think that got lost.

Most of the aircraft movements will be beginning around April timeframe... SOC could occur as early as April.

We will see plenty of new bases...meaning the NWA guys will certainly be filtering out. NWA is nearly an 80% commuter airline...DAL is about the inverse.

 

[acarpe3448]

I am not to disappointed in the list. Looks like I am real close to my relaitve senority on the DAL list prior to this. I did have one question. When I pulled up the list on the deltapilots.org page it did not show any dates of hire. Where did anyone find this? In any case, glad to be above 10,000 on this new list. Welcome to all of our new pilots.

 

[Superpilot92]

Most of the aircraft movements will be beginning around April timeframe... SOC could occur as early as April.

I have been hearing that alot lately. Looks like mgmt wants it ASAP to get the full benefits. So far they havent taken their time with much so i assume thats how they are with getting the SOC.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Did slightly better than I hoped. But I am a pessimist. Was expecting exactly between nwa/dal proposals. Ended up about 200 numbers better than halfway. However, from first glance there are sections of our sli that got hammered, specifically our 86-89ish hires. Due to their placement and age most will not ever reach wb capt. that they would have without the merger. I feel that the nw 95 hires did relativaly well, with the early 95 doing very well. Anyway good luck to us all. :beer:

I am not to disappointed in the list. Looks like I am real close to my relaitve senority on the DAL list prior to this. I did have one question. When I pulled up the list on the deltapilots.org page it did not show any dates of hire. Where did anyone find this? In any case, glad to be above 10,000 on this new list. Welcome to all of our new pilots.

 

[Turtle21]

... Both groups asked for fences. Why the arbitrators would award no fences when we both wanted them is suspicious to me. ...

I think it suspicious that ALPA outsourced the SLI when you paid them dues.:laugh:

 

[exeagle]

I am not to disappointed in the list. Looks like I am real close to my relaitve senority on the DAL list prior to this. I did have one question. When I pulled up the list on the deltapilots.org page it did not show any dates of hire. Where did anyone find this? In any case, glad to be above 10,000 on this new list. Welcome to all of our new pilots.

Agreed. Being in the 12K range, I feel like I am where I should be. Good luck to us all!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Anyone know the number of the guy (not name please) that holds the scope trigger position?

Wondering how much the Company can "right size" before they have to start taking seats out of all these shiny new big RJ's.

 

[rf285]

He is in the 11200 range.

 

[Sedona16]

Anyone know the number of the guy (not name please) that holds the scope trigger position?

Wondering how much the Company can "right size" before they have to start taking seats out of all these shiny new big RJ's.

Isnt that the previous delta furlough plug, TKane?

 

[tblosser]

Isnt that the previous delta furlough plug, TKane?

The scope clause that deals with removing the 6 seats in the event of furlough says that any pilot on the list with an employment date prior to Sept 01, 2001 is furloughed then the seats must be removed. TKane is no longer the trigger. The new trigger is seniority number 11984 at 4% on the list.

 

[rf285]

The scope clause that deals with removing the 6 seats in the event of furlough says that any pilot on the list with an employment date prior to Sept 01, 2001 is furloughed then the seats must be removed. TKane is no longer the trigger. The new trigger is seniority number 11984 at 4% on the list.

That's awesome (too bad it didn't include all pilots at DL and NW)! Hopefully the union won't negotiate that away.

 

[RedRum]

Not so fast

I like that DAL is converting the 787 orders to 777 300LRs

Not so fast...

Any 787 converted order is going to be NWA property.

Kick a horse while he is down... good job.

It's going to cost you in the long run, mark my words.

 

[Mikes Apartment]

Not so fast...

Any 787 converted order is going to be NWA property.

Kick a horse while he is down... good job.

It's going to cost you in the long run, mark my words.

I wasn't kicking a horse. I was being sarcastic to aircowboy about his liking the 5 year 787 fence. I'm fully aware that any replacement for the 787 will be flown by NWA pilots for 5 years after SOC. Relax.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So if they furlough prior to SOC an kick all of the 07 nd 08 new hires to the street, they they then need to recall them after SOC for the scope trigger not to take effect, or do those guys stay on the street furloughed out of seniority order?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Also I strongly suspect that the JAN/FEB AE will have displacements all over it. I would bet that the company will make it a 12 month conversion, and start the process of moving jets. Then again, they may just decided to DH everyone all over for a year or two. My bet is on there being some major movement. I am ready for MSP 7ER!

 

[tblosser]

So if they furlough prior to SOC an kick all of the 07 nd 08 new hires to the street, they they then need to recall them after SOC for the scope trigger not to take effect, or do those guys stay on the street furloughed out of seniority order?

That's one for the lawyers...but I think since we are one list with one JCBA that the seats would have to come out if anyone above Sept 01, 2001 were furloughed from either side.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, but as the award states they can furlough from each side prior to SOC. That said, they could furlough all of the new hires on the old lists in seniority order. Once we are SOC+ there is a major issue with that.
My guess is that with the flow down, it would be to costly to do it, but it is possible, just not probable.