New AT to SWA training plan out

[Lear70]

So the rest of the year only 717. And no more 737 trasition?

It's just a guess, but an educated one.

With the elimination of our SJU routes, they really only need those planes and pilots over. Other than that, there's no reason to take extra 737 pilots and, in truth, the 717 will be going away at a faster clip than just 24 people per month, more like 36 to keep the staffing balance we have now.

As such, I just don't see very many (if any) 737 pilot transitions after Aug/Sep when they finish drawing down MCO.

Again, just an educated guess.

 

[BR715]

Are the 717 Capts that bid to stay on the 717 eligible to bid for any of those 737 FO spots? Or does only the guys that bid 737 FO get to bid to go over. I'm asking for myself if you haven't figured it out.

 

[Citrusflyer]

Are the 717 Capts that bid to stay on the 717 eligible to bid for any of those 737 FO spots? Or does only the guys that bid 737 FO get to bid to go over. I'm asking for myself if you haven't figured it out.

Everything I've been told is that the only one's going over are those who bid 737 FO. Anyone who bid the 717 currently have an invalid bid - and no seat at SWA (until the union issues get solved).

 

[Lear70]

Everything I've been told is that the only one's going over are those who bid 737 FO. Anyone who bid the 717 currently have an invalid bid - and no seat at SWA (until the union issues get solved).

Not *exactly* correct.

They can't go over until all the pilots who were awarded SWA 737 FO either go over or bypass so the out-of-seniority moves will continue.

It also triggers displacement language at Southwest because their award is SWA 717 and once they transition into Initial Indoc there and that plane is no longer available, it becomes a displacement to 737 F/O, an issue that is being disputed by SWAPA and that we expect the DR process to answer as well.

If anyone thinks that SWA was planning on the 717 going away, they only have to look at this mess. If SWA really thought they were going to sell the 717 before 1/1/15, they wouldn't have left this $35 Million and growing morass as a possibility in the SIA documents. Their Chief Labor Relations counsel is much too smart for that.

 

[Whataburger]

C And D ain't happening.

 

[fam62c]

Lear I can see plan B or C happening.

Unless SWAPA wants to spend the next 10 years in mediation for their next contract they will allow the flexibility the company asks for when the time comes. If they try to back management into a corner they will end up in the doghouse with the AT pilots.

 

[texman]

Unless SWAPA wants to spend the next 10 years in mediation for their next contract they will allow the flexibility the company asks for when the time comes. If they try to back management into a corner they will end up in the doghouse with the AT pilots.

They like to know cost. 10 years won't happen.

 

[Citrusflyer]

Not *exactly* correct.

They can't go over until all the pilots who were awarded SWA 737 FO either go over or bypass so the out-of-seniority moves will continue.

It's correct - as far as it goes, for all of 2013 - as the 737 FO bidders wont all be over the fence prior to 2014. Then the chaos begins ...

 

[fam62c]

They like to know cost. 10 years won't happen.

They do know the cost, it's your current contractual run-rate continuing on after the amendable date theoretically forever the way the NMB works today.

 

[Lear70]

It's correct - as far as it goes, for all of 2013 - as the 737 FO bidders wont all be over the fence prior to 2014. Then the chaos begins ...

Not exactly.

There are plenty of 717 pilots who bid 737 FO so those guys will be able to go while people senior to the who bid 717 will be bypassed.

When they run out of 717 pilots who bid 737 and they need to pull people across the partition they will. But until then, it's not an invalid bid and they have a way to cross, just can't do it until we go through all the people awarded 737 FO.