New AGE limit discussion

[bluefin]

Had a friend of mine in CA attend a meeting and also there were officials from NASA ames, FAA, icao, airline representatives, and pilots. Topic was the upcoming, "PILOT SHORTAGE" and one of the issues was Canada's new rule. The proposal at this meeting was fly till you can no longer obtain a medical, "fly till you die", anyone else know any info on this meeting? Wouldn't doubt it, just passing along what I hear. This individual is pretty involved in aviation with his flight school.

 

[CapnVegetto]

ICAO will have to do it before we will.

Stick em in the right seat after 65 and I'm ok with it. You'll still also have to keep toe old farts from flying ETOPS together.

Not totally against it as long as there are restrictions.

Pilot shortage my ass. I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[wms]

Put over-60 pilots in the right seat. How can a pilot that needs to be "baby-sat" be and effective PIC?

 

[humveedriver]

Payscales get extended.. Company retirement contributions go down.. Employment stagnation for all the young pilots who occupied wall street.. Government gets more taxes off of senior employees..

65. End of story.

Someone else posted it on a different thread. But the key to solving the pilot shortage is by getting rid of all the 50 seat RJs and replacing them with 70-86 seat jets. There will always be a small niche for the dashes, saabs and 1900s. Then it will be up to us "major" airline pilots to figure out how to get the larger jets on property where they should be.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

I was on a crew bus the other day and heard two guys from another airline talking about going to 67, If I'd have been a FFDO he would've "Retired" right there...

Moron was saying he made more as a 737 captain in '84 then he was making now on a 767...You've had your turn, it's time to go!!! I'm sorry you spent it on ex wives, and lost what was left in Bankruptcy BUT if you've been a Captain that long and didn't save anything, Don't know what to tell you BUT BYE BYE!

Later,
KBB

 

[CesnaCaptn]

I'm glad someone started a new thread on retirement age. It's been 12 days since the last one died.

 

[zonejumper]

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I'm glad someone started a new thread on retirement age. It's been 12 days since the last one died.

Incorrect. The Fractional forum has an Age 65 thread that was recently started.

 

[outerlimits]

I was on a crew bus the other day and heard two guys from another airline talking about going to 67, If I'd have been a FFDO he would've "Retired" right there...

Moron was saying he made more as a 737 captain in '84 then he was making now on a 767...You've had your turn, it's time to go!!! I'm sorry you spent it on ex wives, and lost what was left in Bankruptcy BUT if you've been a Captain that long and didn't save anything, Don't know what to tell you BUT BYE BYE!

Later,
KBB

At this rate I will never upgrade. I am guessing it was a Delta pilot. We have some doozies over here at Delta.

 

[Mickey D]

If this ever happens, there needs to be strict enforcement of First Class Medical standards as well as severe punishment for doctors who are lenient with these farts. And I'm all for putting them in the right seat after 65. Then they can start hearing about MY boat.

 

[Mickey D]

If the age was raised to, say 67 or 70, how long would one's disability insurance run if you medical'd out at 60 or so?

 

[Iflyamouse]

Solution

Getting pilots to finally retire is part of the solution to the shortage! Who wants to start training in an industry where there is no movement and few job opportunities? Get back to the late 90's when every airline was hiring retiring and you'll get people interested in a becoming a pilot again.

 

[redflyer65]

Ripped from the headlines...Pilot dies in flight.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...in-flight-plane-lands-safely/?test=latestnews

Only 55 years old, but still. Do we need guys pushing the envelope?

 

[BrickTop]

I saw a Delta 757 crew in SAT a few weeks back. Talk about prunes. These guys were ####ing dinosaurs.....

 

[agrrlpilot]

Back in the 90's, I think United had the option of a pilot retiring at 60 but being able to coming back as an FE. Everyone else used to call them "herpes". Go figure....

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Back in the 90's, I think United had the option of a pilot retiring at 60 but being able to coming back as an FE. Everyone else used to call them "herpes". Go figure....

It wasn't just UA. It was any airline with an FE seat.

I did meet a 74 year old herpe once. I don't think he would've been a plumber these days.

 

[Whataburger]

It's been 12 days since the last one died.

Over 60 Capt?

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Bring back the 60 rule and get more pilots who are now on the street back into the cockpit where they belong - how much money do you really have to make?

MOVE OVER DAD AND GO HOME AND ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR LIFE

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Over 60 Capt?

Is your question tongue in cheek? I was refering to the last retirement age thread in the majors sections, although I guess it was a double entendre.

 

[Mamma]

I've heard our #1 on the list was just in DC lobbying for an increase in the age limit to 70. He has more money than he knows what to do with and enough to be dangerous. He will never leave the seat unless forced out.

 

[BrickTop]

I saw a Delta 757 crew in SAT a few weeks back. Talk about prunes. These guys were ####ing dinosaurs.....

 

[BrickTop]

I've heard our #1 on the list was just in DC lobbying for an increase in the age limit to 70. He has more money than he knows what to do with and enough to be dangerous. He will never leave the seat unless forced out.

blanket party

 

[SIG600]

It took decades to get 65 approved, and only after ICAO led the charge.

You guys are getting yourselves all spun up for no reason. But keep going, it's hilarious to watch.

 

[Mamma]

It took decades to get 65 approved, and only after ICAO led the charge.

You guys are getting yourselves all spun up for no reason. But keep going, it's hilarious to watch.

A pile of cash goes a long way in DC.

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm glad someone started a new thread on retirement age. It's been 12 days since the last one died.

Best post on here so far, good one!

 

[Dan Roman]

I was on a crew bus the other day and heard two guys from another airline talking about going to 67, If I'd have been a FFDO he would've "Retired" right there...

Moron was saying he made more as a 737 captain in '84 then he was making now on a 767...You've had your turn, it's time to go!!! I'm sorry you spent it on ex wives, and lost what was left in Bankruptcy BUT if you've been a Captain that long and didn't save anything, Don't know what to tell you BUT BYE BYE!

Later,
KBB

In other words, maybe letting pilots play with guns is not such a good idea?

 

[vetrider]

I've heard our #1 on the list was just in DC lobbying for an increase in the age limit to 70. He has more money than he knows what to do with and enough to be dangerous. He will never leave the seat unless forced out.

Tell him he might as well argue for 110, that'll save him another trip in 4 years.

 

[vetrider]

It took decades to get 65 approved, and only after ICAO led the charge.

You guys are getting yourselves all spun up for no reason. But keep going, it's hilarious to watch.

And it'll take the politicians 30 seconds to slip it into any Tom, Dick, or Harry legislation once again. Momentum. No decades required.

 

[tomgoodman]

I saw a Delta 757 crew in SAT a few weeks back. Talk about prunes. These guys were ####ing dinosaurs.....

Probably another consequence of global warming...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoth-god/3680478087/lightbox/

 

[shon7]

People are living longer and productive life has increased. 65+ is only a matter of time.

 

[list2002]

Heard some age 67 rumbling... age 67 = ALPA gone.
Over 60, right seat. Don't see how having to schedule and staff an airframe around everyone over 60 is preferable to hiring more pilots. Eventually you'll need twice as many pilots, all the over 60 guys to staff the airline, then 1 under 60 per each to fly with them. Not even talking the productivity the airlines get from them. I think some of the companies are finding out the short term "benefits" of this isn't as helpful as replacement. I hope it never happens, but I will let an unsafe pilot know I won't fly with them... as I hope he/she would to me. Then I would let scheduling know.
And the argument about age rules being too broad, everyone is different etc. can be the same for rest rules, not everyone needs 8hrs sleep, some can get along just fine with 4, I don't see why the government needs to be limiting my potential productivity with these "numbers."