New AAI ALPA Strategy: Fire SWA Haters!

[Lear70]

SW management can do whatever they want with this deal, if it gets ugly I could definitely see them stepping in to sweeten the pot to make things go more smoothly.

That thought has occurred to me... I don't see a legal barrier towards GK offering something towards the end of mediation to keep it from going to arbitration if it's looking like a deal can't be reached. Also, after an arbitrated award is handed down, if he wanted to help mollify one side or another from any perceived shortcoming, he could legally do something then as well.

The only problem is, how do you ascertain who gets anything and how much? You can't just buy off SOME of your pilots, and if it's ALL your pilots, what do you use to buy them off?

Let's say just for argument's sake that it's something as measly as 1,000 shares of common stock (it spiked to $14 after the deal was announced but has been burbling around $12 a share for the better part of a year or more). That's $12,000 per pilot. Times 6,000 pilots is $72,000,000.

I don't think GK is going to authorize a $72M lump-sum buy-off and I don't think your pilots would bite off on something that equates to less than one year's yearly bonus payment for F/O's, half or 1/3 of that for CA's. I'm not seeing a way to "sweeten the deal" by "buying" the cooperation of SWA pilots.

As for using a Scope release for code-share, I'm not sure how that can be construed as "sweetening the deal" for SWA pilots, can you explain that?

As far as the "pulling a Muse" idea, we've been over that, and it's just not worth the angst responding to something that I'm not worried about and that will only cause more arguments... it's not getting solved here.

I understand the worries and fears of the SWA pilots; you just have to have a little faith that it will all work out.

 

[redflyer65]

The number that has been thrown around is north of 30k. And I think you would hard pressed to find too many SW pilots that would touch stock or stock options. Would Gary want to write a check that big? Probably not, he has the resources to do it though.

I'm interested to see what he does with this SLI, he holds all the cards. Interesting times ahead. There is no doubt in my mind that he structured this deal with a nuclear ripcord. Two sub LCC's? You think he's paying that many legal fees just for fun?

I'm hoping for a great outcome as well. Then we can all wear the big bling.

 

[400ADude]

Maybe if you knew the origins of the phrase "A Hostage to Fortune" . . .

. . . ah, never mind.



Maybe yours should read, "Has trouble sharing toys". :crying::crying::crying:

The only problem with sharing toys is that you guys having nothing to share and what you do have to share is lousy pay, one big nasty crew base in ATL, massive amounts of debt, a sh!tty management team and did I leave anything out???

So what toys are guys bringing???

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA cannot legally use the AirTran assets without employing the AirTran employees that come with it

Don't make me laugh. You think any good CEO would paint himself into a corner? Do you?

 

[Ty Webb]

The only problem with sharing toys is that you guys having nothing to share and what you do have to share is lousy pay, one big nasty crew base in ATL, massive amounts of debt, a sh!tty management team and did I leave anything out???

So what toys are guys bringing???

Yeah, 135 airframes, 50 737NG orders, 700 daily departures, and 10+ years of profits.

 

[SWA/FO]

Yeah, 135 airframes, 50 737NG orders, 700 daily departures, and 10+ years of profits.

& 1.5 BILLION in debt. An airplane (717) that would have bankrupt the airline if they didn't purchase engine insurance, cus they sux and break all the time.

 

[400ADude]

Yeah, 135 airframes, 50 737NG orders, 700 daily departures, and 10+ years of profits.

You couldn't afford your orders with the debt, economy and competition. Southwest doesn't want all those airframes (717) long term and maybe even short term.

Sorry but you don't bring any improvements over to the pilots of SWA. Pay. Nope. Multiple crew bases. Nope. Great benefits. Nope. Culture. Nope. Bitter pilot group willing to strike last year. YES!!!

As far as what you might do for SWA the company, the jury is not only out but hasn't been picked yet. They only wanted ATL. Thats it. Unfortunately I believe they paid way way too much and they are not going to like what they are getting.

 

[Ty Webb]

You couldn't afford your orders with the debt, economy and competition. Southwest doesn't want all those airframes (717) long term and maybe even short term.

Sorry but you don't bring any improvements over to the pilots of SWA. Pay. Nope. Multiple crew bases. Nope. Great benefits. Nope. Culture. Nope. Bitter pilot group. YES!!!

Yes, those lousy 717 have done a terrible job of competing against DAL and building a company that SWA chose to buy! :laugh:

As for "bitter" employees, cripes, you're one of the most bitter individuals posting on FI. I have yet to see a single post from you that was anything but bitter. :erm:

 

[Ty Webb]

& 1.5 BILLION in debt. An airplane (717) that would have bankrupt the airline if they didn't purchase engine insurance, cus they sux and break all the time.

Wow, "engine insurance" . . . . you are a highly astute businessman! Why are you hiding your light under a bushel by flying airplanes . . . Warren Buffet needs a second-in-command. Better catch the next flight to Omaha, stat!

 

[Fubijaakr]

Again, it's not personal toward Citrus pilots.

"Hired not acquired" bag stickers are pretty personal. Egotistical too. You guys sound like United pilots in 1992. Look how that turned out.

 

[scoreboardII]

I haven't seen one of those stickers so I doubt they are out there.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, it will. (you have no idea Ty Webb)

Actually, I do . . . .

Expect the SWA pilots to be split. The FO's will want to vote it down and go to arbitration, the SWA CA's will want to vote it in and limit their exposure . . . once it goes to Arbitration, all bets are off.

The AirTran pilots will have four segments:

1) The most junior guys who are "happy just to be here"
2) The senior FO's who were looking at upgrading into those 50 737 deliveries
3) The junior CA's
4) The senior CA's

It will be very interesting, to be sure.

 

[SWA/FO]

Yes, those lousy 717 have done a terrible job of competing against DAL and building a company that SWA chose to buy! :laugh:

I don't know the technial term. But my quote is directly from the dude in charge of MX at Tranny. He also said "those 25 717s in the desert are being robbed of parts to keep the current tranny 717s flying" :laugh:

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

#2 is just asinine. Aai fo to Swa fo is a more substantial upgrade than aai fo to aai capt. If for no other reason than you still have yet another upgrade awaiting you. (Swa capt)

Without the acquisition aai capt would have been the limit.

 

[SWA/FO]

Ty you might be the most disappointed AT Pilot out there and the most vocal. Your own kind (on your forum) are beggin you to stop....

Why don't you just wait and see.

Why don't you try and make a list of what YOU might be getting out of this. We know you don't want anymore money (thats why you have a side business or why you voted to strike at your airline :cartman
....but just sit down and make a list of what Southwest brings to your life.

I bet its a long list. Let me start it for you: 113 Orders for new aircraft, 37 options and 98 Purchase rights.

I'm going to start on my Tranny list and what I get out of this deal.