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RLAblows said:
Have any of you sent Emails to Mr. Kelly and expressed your concerns or disgust over this deal? If not, this is just misdirected hostility. The AT pilots aren't responsible for this deal and at some point we are going to have to deal with it like adults. I don't think not wearing the lanyards is going to have any effect other then giving off a childish message. " NO! I'm not wearing my lanyard, waaaahhhhh."
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Was not meant to be a shot at you, just explaining what is going on with the other side of the house. We know the AT guys aren't responsible and (most reasonable people) fully understand that.

Mr. Kelly and VanD are fully briefed on our opinions regarding the SLI, I can guarantee that. Gary is also aware of how the Morris Air integration/lawsuits worked out.
 
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RLAblows said:
Have any of you sent Emails to Mr. Kelly and expressed your concerns or disgust over this deal? If not, this is just misdirected hostility. The AT pilots aren't responsible for this deal and at some point we are going to have to deal with it like adults. I don't think not wearing the lanyards is going to have any effect other then giving off a childish message. " NO! I'm not wearing my lanyard, waaaahhhhh."
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Not wearing the laniards is NOT directed at the Citrus pilots. It is, in fact, directed at our own management...just part of our unofficial communication process. It would send a much louder statement if we actually did wear them as a group (as in, "Ok, whatever you guys do is fine with us. We're just happy to be here.") That is just not us as a group, these days.
 
Your question has no bearing on the matter. Longevity is not being merged or integrated here. Job security and benefits aren't either. Neither are W-2's or culture (Thank God). The only thing being integrated is seniority, hence, the name SLI.


Sorry, I am very quite and normally just an observer,however......That was the most assinine statement I have ever heard.
 
shootr said:
Not wearing the laniards is NOT directed at the Citrus pilots. It is, in fact, directed at our own management...just part of our unofficial communication process. It would send a much louder statement if we actually did wear them as a group (as in, "Ok, whatever you guys do is fine with us. We're just happy to be here.") That is just not us as a group, these days.
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Unfortunately, we are a pretty big byproduct of your protest. You are protesting the AT pilots coming into SWA, so in a way it is directed at us in an indirect way. No way around it. If I'm wrong explain to me why you aren't wearing your lanyard? What message are you trying to send to management?
 
RLAblows said:
Unfortunately, we are a pretty big byproduct of your protest. You are protesting the AT pilots coming into SWA, so in a way it is directed at us in an indirect way. No way around it.
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Really? You're that sensitive?


If I'm wrong explain to me why you aren't wearing your lanyard? What message are you trying to send to management?
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The main reason I don't wear one is that I don't own one. Plus, I am heterosexual and not a big fan of having a rope around my neck in an airplane...........
 
Tripower455 said:
Really? You're that sensitive?




The main reason I don't wear one is that I don't own one. Plus, I am heterosexual and not a big fan of having a rope around my neck in an airplane...........
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Do you wear a tie?
 
scoreboardII said:
That this is a really bad idea.
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I'm sure that will give them good reason to reconsider this $14B decision. Sounds like the largest act of protest since the Vietnam war.

"...but the pilots aren't wearing the lanyards!"
 
Tripower455 said:
Really? You're that sensitive?




The main reason I don't wear one is that I don't own one. Plus, I am heterosexual and not a big fan of having a rope around my neck in an airplane...........
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Agreed, I don't like wearing a giant necklace either.

I'm not that sensitive, but I don't understand how this protest can be constructive for anyone. It's a done deal. Now we all need to learn how to make this work.
 
For FI the SWA/AAI pilot banter here has been relatively civilized...the lanyard is for the company rah-rahs which typically does not include the pilots (unless they are super senior DAL folks). I am going to the 40th anniversary celebration in DAL this month (my 10th year at SWA)....are the AAI folks invited to what will be an incredible blow out?
 
It cuts both ways, we had some flight ops people at the ATL signing, they were told by more than a few AAI people that DOH was the only way to go...
 
redflyer65 said:
It cuts both ways, we had some flight ops people at the ATL signing, they were told by more than a few AAI people that DOH was the only way to go...
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Were those "AAI people" our sexy stews? They're the only ones I've ever heard mention anything about DOH.
 
I have heard our stews and mechs state that aai folk should enter the workgroup at the bottom just like eveyone else has done @ swa...i then try to explain m/B law and they fail to see the fairness for swa employees if the senioity list is integrated...oh well, there's no getting though to folks sometime...
 
Heck with the lanyards, this is ATL. Who's wearing the medallions? How many? What kind of necklace?

3 swingin' on 14k here, yo! :D
 
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-9Capt said:
I'm sure that will give them good reason to reconsider this $14B decision. Sounds like the largest act of protest since the Vietnam war.

"...but the pilots aren't wearing the lanyards!"
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You asked, I provided a simple succinct response.

Let history show that bad mergers (of employee groups) have cost lots more than any managament proposed "synergies" have ever recouped.

Thats all I'm saying, no hidden agenda.

Hoping for the best, but there's your answer.
 
Let history show that bad mergers (of employee groups) have cost lots more than any managament proposed "synergies" have ever recouped.
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History can be a great teacher: Let history show, Southwest Airlines would get rid of "troubled group". Example: TranStar/Muse. Don't become Air Tran(Star)

http://www.museair.com/
 
The least amount of pilots will be pissed off with a staple. Any other integration will anger a larger number. Simple math.
 
Ty Webb said:
Heck with the lanyards, this is ATL. Who's wearing the medallions? How many? What kind of necklace?

3 swingin' on 14k here, yo! :D
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That's funny! Apparently some other's sense of humor has been compromised by their obsessive need to "solve" our SLI issues here on FI.
 
Bob Dylan said:
The least amount of pilots will be pissed off with a staple. Any other integration will anger a larger number. Simple math.
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Here's an idea . . . . Since you can't seem to get your mind around the fact that the AAI pilots will be integrated fairly, perhaps you should just quit? You'll be happier, and so will we.

You know, one is unhappier, and 6000 will be happier. It's a 'numbers game'. :laugh:
 
Hostage to Fortune
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Interesting.....

You should type: kicking and screaming your way to a better QOL, more pay and strong stable Company :crying:
 
SWA/FO said:
History can be a great teacher: Let history show, Southwest Airlines would get rid of "troubled group". Example: TranStar/Muse. Don't become Air Tran(Star)

http://www.museair.com/
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Seems like an odd statement?? There is no legal way SWA could use the assets from the AirTran merger and not use it's employee's and they are entitled to be merged in whatever fashion the courts think is fair.

I think it's safe to say the courts would look at this as two very similar operations merging, they really won't take into account how much breast thumping or mudslinging one side or the other can do.
 
RLAblows said:
Unfortunately, we are a pretty big byproduct of your protest. You are protesting the AT pilots coming into SWA, so in a way it is directed at us in an indirect way. No way around it. If I'm wrong explain to me why you aren't wearing your lanyard? What message are you trying to send to management?
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That is not what we are "protesting" at all. It's a signal to management to be involved in the process so as to not allow full AT gains to the detriment of current SWAPA pilots. SWA management has many ways to make the process fully fair to all involved including positive AND negative actions. They know that a hands-off approach MIGHT not go well and our actions and words to this point is what has educated them.

Again, it's not personal toward Citrus pilots. It's business between SWAPA pilots and SWA management. I hope it all goes well and we have the LEAST number of unhappy pilots posssible, in the end.

shootr
 

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