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Originally Posted by -9Capt
This 12yr Capt made just a hair over $200K + $20K to the Bfund. Never touched opentime, just used the system.
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That's an easy 12 day/month line at straight pay, with no system gaming at all over here. Enjoy it.....
 
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Tripower455 said:
That's an easy 12 day line at straight pay over here. Enjoy it.....
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Great. I'm looking forward to working there. I hope the pay/ benefits you have now will continue indefinitely. As anyone who's been in this business long enough will tell you, things have a tendency to change. Hopefully SWA will be the exception.
 
vixin said:
Why is it so hard for trannies to understand? Some of us are fine with arbitration. Why shouldnt we be?
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Seems like you are painting with a pretty broad brush considering there has only been around 3 AirTran people posting on the last 5 pages.

I personally want to thank all of you for your tireless efforts in solving our SLI. Without your dedication I don't think we'll be able to reach a fair agreement.

"All aboard the broken record express, next stop, beat the dead horse, then continuing on to redundancy"

Keep up the hard work guys, but if you're going to keep banging your heads against the wall, please wear your helmets.
 
-9Capt said:
Great. I'm looking forward to working there. I hope the pay/ benefits you have now will continue indefinitely. As anyone who's been in this business long enough will tell you, things have a tendency to change. Hopefully SWA will be the exception.
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As a 2nd generation airline pilot with 25 years in the biz (8 airlines), I am aware that things change. The AT acquisition is a great example.

It's also given me some perspective on what we have and what you're getting, and I have a hard time understanding some of your attitudes.
 
Tripower455 said:
As a 2nd generation airline pilot with 25 years in the biz (8 airlines), I am aware that things change. The AT acquisition is a great example.

It's also given me some perspective on what we have and what you're getting, and I have a hard time understanding some of your attitudes.
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It's not an attitude, it's a difference of opinion.

You said that you're "aware that things change". I'm aware of that also. Things like CBA's change every few years, guaranteed. Seniority, not so much.

What happens in a few years when SWA buys Alaska and you guys take a pay cut. I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but knowing this biz it's certainly possible.

Don't take this crap seriously, it's FI for Christ sake.
 
-9Capt said:
It's not an attitude, it's a difference of opinion.
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Nope. It's an attitude. Whether you'll admit it or not, you guys have the opportunity to get one of the most sought after airline jobs in the world, without jumping through the hoops that every other SW pilot had to jump through, and 1000's of other pilots would love to jump through right now. Many of you guys here on FI are treating it as if you're getting hosed, and that WE are the enemy, when frankly, we have far more to lose than you do.

See the above responses to my innocuous post to Ty. Yours included.

You said that you're "aware that things change". I'm aware of that also. Things like CBA's change every few years, guaranteed. Seniority, not so much.
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My seniority was certainly not forever. I, like most airline pilots, started at the bottom of the list every time I started over.


What happens in a few years when SWA buys Alaska and you guys take a pay cut. I'm not saying it's definitely going to happen, but knowing this biz it's certainly possible.
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Who knows? What happens in a few months when GH get fenced in to wither on the vine? What happens when an arbitrator comes up with a completely arbitrary "solution", that you don't like? What happens when you lose your captain seat?

Not saying any of this is gonna happen, "but knowing this biz it's certainly possible."

You can "what if" all you want.

The fact is that SW has been consistently profitable since the early '70's and you are gonna reap huge benefits by being part of it, as have all the VJ/AT guys that left to come here over the years. It's a big career step up for the AT guys, regardless of where you end up on the list.


Don't take this crap seriously, it's FI for Christ sake.
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I haven't taken anything on FI seriously since I joined to get the answers to a certain home study exam years ago.

The SLI will be taken care of by the NCs.
 
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I think BOS has a great shot at the CUP!

Also, I'd like to add: this thread says "fire Southwest hatters" - is he indeed a Southwest hatter?

Also, where are all the Tranny Captains' in MDW. I mean, all I have seen is FO walking around. Now, I know they didn't get there themselves... so where are all the Captain's hanging out in MDW?

Is MDW the worst place to go these days? Do the AT Pilots think we are going to jump them? Club them at C's?
 
Tripower455 said:
Many of you guys here on FI are treating it as if you're getting hosed, and that WE are the enemy, when frankly, we have far more to lose than you do.
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SOME of your guys started acting like the enemy.

Bob Dylan, Bill Nelson, 400Ahole, Vixen, and the rest of the "staple 'em or sell 'em" crowd have done more damage to your side than the guy that dropped off the chalupa in the urinal at the first meet and greet.
 
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I think its going to be ok...only 3% of AT Pilots are on this forum.
 
Ty Webb said:
SOME of your guys started acting like the enemy.

Bob Dylan, Bill Nelson, 400Ahole, Vixen, and the rest of the "staple 'em or sell 'em" crowd have done more damage to your side than the guy that dropped off the chalupa in the urinal at the first meet and greet.
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If what a few anonymous people say on FI has ANY impact on this SLI, we are all in trouble. If that is the case, I think L70's thread begging for a staple will hurt you guys more.

The SLI is not gonna be solved on FI. We all have our opinions on what if fair and equitable, and arguing about it on here does nothing. Let the NCs do their jobs. Hopefully, we can come to a negotiated agreement, and if not, the process will play out and we get what we get. What's the worst thing that could happen, especially on the AT side?
 
SWA/FO said:
Also, where are all the Tranny Captains' in MDW. I mean, all I have seen is FO walking around. Now, I know they didn't get there themselves... so where are all the Captain's hanging out in MDW?
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This is one of the little known secrets of Guadalupe Air. I suppose now is a good time to reveal it to our new step siblings.

When the parking checklist is completed at MDW the FO's begin their 'other duties'; The Captain is Tased into a semi-conscious state. Never more than twice in a two minute period. The Captain is then placed in a black rubberized bondage suit and stored on a shelf in operations.

The FO's are then free to get lunch or have a cup of coffee. The process is then reversed prior to the next flight.

Look for slight burn marks on the necks of our Captains if you need proof.
Welcome to the family. :pimp:
 
................"I think what he is implying is that if you think your seniority at AT with less longevity than a SWA guy means something, then you might be the one that is disappointed with the SLI. All we really expect is that you be realistic with your expectations. Just as you think a staple is unrealistic (which I, for one, agree), so do we think that relative seniority (which you espouse, and which would actually be damaging to a SWA pilots career) is unrealistic, to the extreme. Maybe you don't think so, but we will fight tooth and nail to prove you wrong. I'm a friend of Tri's, and I'm pretty sure that's what he's implying - and he's pretty much spot on as to the SWA guys feelings on your "relative dreams". If that's what your implying. ........"

My question should have specified:

Is there a FIRST OFFICER pilot on the SWA seniority that is senior to the most junior Captain?

When that First Officer wants to upgrade does he bump the most junior Captain out of his seat or do they bid from the available vacancies at the various bases?

Just trying to understand your upgrade process?

Airtran's process allows for pilots to bid for available vacancies at various bases for the Captain positions that become available. If a MCO captain wants to bid for a Captain vacancy in ATL and their seniority number can hold then they are awarded that bid. If an ATL FO wants to bid MCO captain and nobody senior to him bids for that seat then they are awarded that bid. If the next bid comes out and there are no MCO captain bids available a senior captain in ATL can not bump that guy who just bid that seat the month prior.
It is all about what your seniority will hold at a particular base when the VACANCY is announced.
 
It works pretty much the same way here, only we have monthly vacancy bids. They add and subtract seats as needed in each domicile.

You generally can't bump a junior guy out of a domicile, but IIRC, there are some provisions during displacements that can get someone bumped, but I can't recall the details.
 
Tripower455 said:
The SLI is not gonna be solved on FI. We all have our opinions on what if fair and equitable, and arguing about it on here does nothing. Let the NCs do their jobs. Hopefully, we can come to a negotiated agreement, and if not, the process will play out and we get what we get.
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Agreed.
 
SWA first officer (more longevity with SWA) to SWA junior Captain................
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Perhaps a few, maybe a dozen...only by months. Why: Medical reasons, War, Didn't leave DAL etc..
 
-9Capt said:
It's all been said before. See you on the other side.
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Oh NOW you're leaving?

Way to do a drive-by, throw gas on the fire and THEN bail.

Ty and I should have schooled you months ago on how to at least be funny while you're pissing everyone off.

Gup
 
GuppyWN said:
Oh NOW you're leaving?

Way to do a drive-by, throw gas on the fire and THEN bail.

Ty and I should have schooled you months ago on how to at least be funny while you're pissing everyone off.

Gup
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Dude, we've been over and over this. Its hardly been a drive by. You really want to keep this going? Do you really think we're going to change eachothers mind?

Love to stay and continue beating this dead horse, but I got some fresh Mythbusters on the TiVo. Peace out.
 

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