New 1500 hour rule first affected

[Flopgut]

Be careful for what you wish for, however--are you sure Unical wants even more international LCC competition out of the Houston area? That might further bite into your monopoly on Houston international flying.

Bubba

Even in reading the link you provided in support of your argument that UAL "selected" SWA get the EWR slots, I read it as saying that other airlines were possible, but the only immediate "yes" was give the slots to SWA. IF you think you're right, then why even make the above accusation? Obviously we feel we can compete with you. We want to compete with you. We believe we would do well competing directly with you. IAH is about as vibrant as a marketplace gets. All manner of airlines are here. You've been at Hobby since day 1 and haven't made much of an impact. What needs to be acknowledged is the final agreement you signed at Love and the fact that you want to exploit a thoroughly well developed fair market at IAH. Not only to avoid spoiling IAH, but so you don't go shopping for another below average mayor and misguided airport authority.

Btw: Are you aware of how much money Interjet and Volaris have raised? That Mexicana is being resurrected? These airlines want to grow. Do you think that they are going to agree to you having unfettered access to Mexico while they make do with a single gate?


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[waveflyer]

Are you dumb flop?

Have you ever been to hobby?

Intercontinental is dominated by Lcal - dominated.

It works bc you need all that space to work your hub and spoke - and widebodies need that space to fly their huge building sized planes into-
But it's a hike to get out there-
What is it? Best case- 45, 50 minutes to downtown- much less points south where so much development is

Locals want hobby and there is nothing wrong with that in a free economy. And we don't need the space and runway sizes of IAH with our 737 based hybrid system-

Your argument borders on ridiculous. Of all things GK isn't a bad businessman. If we need more gates bc we aren't getting business done- then I imagine we'll work on getting more gates.

You just want to keep your cash cow up in IAH- but remember, you don't want to compete with us in hobby either

 

[Flopgut]

You just want to keep your cash cow up in IAH- but remember, you don't want to compete with us in hobby either

We don't? I seem to remember competing with you at Hobby.

Locals want Hobby?! No. Not quite. Lived there 9 years and have been based there twice that long. Locals know SWA has not been even an average corporate citizen. (Despite being the first of three cities you served) They want the 10,000 jobs and the 1.6 billion dollar boost to the Houston economy you promised. Like any big city they need jobs, but most won't be surprised when you don't deliver.

And I have no idea what growth you're talking about South of town?! Exxon is consolidating world headquarters in the Woodlands (just North of IAH).


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[Flopgut]

Wave: you can't tell me it's not SWA's plan to see all the competing airlines forced to IAH and SWA have complete control of international flights from Hobby. I don't know if you'll work some crooked deal with the mayor, or get a price of trash legislation passed but that is very much the SWA plan. It would not be right that more United [former CAL] employees get hurt in that scenario. Not after Love Field, or after we've seen SWA fail to flourish in the IAH market. There are a lot of hard working Houstonians that deserve better than to watch you guys escape a level playing field. Yeah, we have a big hub at IAH. We have the hard work to show for it. It was not given to us.


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[redflyer65]

Like any big city they need jobs, but most won't be surprised when you don't deliver.



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Man that's rich. Wait a minute while I get my insulin.


You mean similar like United? Talk about pulling the rug out from under the city. Send the Corporate Offices to Chicago. How many jobs was that?

Then, to add insult to injury...

Your CEO doesn't even show up to the City Council meetings and threatens to pull jobs out if the SW expansion is approved.

then,

within about one minute of the approval, Smisek cuts 1000 workers...instantly. I hate to tell you, but he had the letter ready to go and signed before he headed out of the office for a round of golf. It didn't matter what the city council did, he didn't care. I'm sure Houston is loving them some United right now.

Wow.

 

[Flopgut]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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[HowardBorden]

Locals want Hobby?! No. Not quite. Lived there 9 years and have been based there twice that long. Locals know SWA has not been even an average corporate citizen.

Swing and a miss TWICE!

The straw poll, conducted at TOP’s community meeting on May 6, found that 79 percent of the nearly 100 attendees support the expansion, while 9 percent were opposed and 12 percent undecided. Separately, TOP said it spoke informally to 400 residents near Hobby Airport, with 386 in favor of the expansion.

http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/news/2012/05/08/poll-finds-majority-of-nearby.html

That’s why I couldn’t be more proud to share that Corporate Responsibility Magazine recognized Southwest Airlines in their 14th annual list of 100 Best Corporate Citizens in the world! Not only are we excited to receive this recognition, but we are the only commercial airline to be honored as a leader in the commitment to transparency and responsible business practices.

http://3blmedia.com/News/CSR/CR-Mag...est-Airlines-100-Best-Corporate-Citizens-List

 

[redflyer65]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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So it's okay for you to talk about what Gary Kelly and Southwest are doing, but it's not the same with your company and your CEO?

Got it.

It's obvious to people in Houston that your company, in the end, doesn't care about them. Blog after blog talks about the poor customer service since the merger. You can continue to live in your fantasyland.

 

[outerlimits]

Ok, so all that, the actions of one CEO, means you ought to get away with whatever you want? You need to spend some time as Houston's largest employer before you pop off maybe...


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Will UAL. Still be the largest employer in Houston when HQ. is in Chicago ?

Just asking

 

[redflyer65]

No it won't. They were number two to begin with, and only then barely. I'd say they'd probably drop below number five with the HQ heading to Chicago and the reduction in line workers.



Houston’s Largest Employers


Home>Job Opportunities & Hiring Trends>Houston’s Largest Employers
1. Memorial Hermann Healthcare System*
19,500 employees
2. Continental Airlines, Inc.*
16,000 employees
3. The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center*
15,000 employees
4. ExxonMobil*
13,000 employees
5. Shell Oil Company*
13,000 employees

 

[slaquer5]

No it won't. They were number two to begin with, and only then barely. I'd say they'd probably drop below number five with the HQ heading to Chicago and the reduction in line workers.



Houston’s Largest Employers


Home>Job Opportunities & Hiring Trends>Houston’s Largest Employers
1. Memorial Hermann Healthcare System*
19,500 employees
2. Continental Airlines, Inc.*
16,000 employees
3. The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center*
15,000 employees
4. ExxonMobil*
13,000 employees
5. Shell Oil Company*
13,000 employees

Red

Either you and your chart is wrong, or everything flop has been saying is made up figures and numbers.


It can't go both ways.


So who is correct?


PS. Flop please do not say this is the only figure that you lied about ,. It is the only one that was asked about .

That makes you 100% on the fibbing and doctoring up your figures .

 

[redflyer65]

It was a simple cut and paste. I like hard facts, not opinion and speculation like Flop and GL.

 

[Flopgut]

Red

Either you and your chart is wrong, or everything flop has been saying is made up figures and numbers.


It can't go both ways.


So who is correct?


PS. Flop please do not say this is the only figure that you lied about ,. It is the only one that was asked about .

That makes you 100% on the fibbing and doctoring up your figures .

I covered myself guys. Read it carefully, I indicated we had been Houston's largest employer. Link:

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releas...eadquarters-to-downtown-houston-75195142.html

Btw Number two in a city like Houston is still a pretty big deal.

 

[scoreboardII]

Jobs and scope. Continental employees worked very hard to protect both. Every time SWA is excused from the rules or gets a handout, the effects get taken out us. I could understand if we were losing ground to SWA on a level playing field, but that is not the case. You can not beat us on a level playing field. Houston is a perfect example. We've been over this.

Common sense?! Where is the common sense in having two FIS in Houston? In building a 55 million dollar parking garage when you guys claim credit for building the "entire project?" (That's a full third of the entire cost). And where is common sense in the snake oil claims SWA made to get this done? 1.6 billion boost to Houston economy, 10,000 jobs (convenient number), and a $130 dollar ticket to Bogota!? Common sense would be to shut this down ASAP. You got this snuck by because one weak mayor felt snubbed.

I want one of you SWA guys to try to explain to me how you imagine you deserve space be made for you at the airports you want to fly to? Take San Salvador for instance. There is no gate space; It's maxed out. You believe you deserve to be shoehorned in and then turn around and tell TACA to build their own terminal if they want a fair shot at Hobby?

Nobody deserves space. You get it through negotiations, you know, like the ones UCAL failed at during the city council meetings.

Ucal worked very hard to protect scope and jobs? YGBFSM. How many mainline flights are accomplished by RJ subcontractors? United express has over 500 aircraft, that's almost 30% outsourcing to subcontractors. Some scope and job protection right there.

 

[scoreboardII]

I covered myself guys. Read it carefully, I indicated we had been Houston's largest employer. Link:

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releas...eadquarters-to-downtown-houston-75195142.html

Btw Number two in a city like Houston is still a pretty big deal.

This isn't news, all they are doing is going from what they have to fewer buildings in the downtown area.

 

[Whine Lover]

What a bunch of Dinks.

 

[Flopgut]

Im outta this thread. SLI tomorrow... So I'll have plenty of new problems. Revisiting this brought me up to speed on this thing more. Terminal costs have gone up for SWA. And SWA only has preferential scheduling and no rent on the four gates. Others can use them. Volaris and Interjet have raised a buttload of money and have bargain basement CASM. So it will be interesting to see how it goes when SWA opens a main artery to the network. IAH might look like it was a better choice in a few years.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Im outta this thread. SLI tomorrow... So I'll have plenty of new problems. Revisiting this brought me up to speed on this thing more. Terminal costs have gone up for SWA. And SWA only has preferential scheduling and no rent on the four gates. Others can use them. Volaris and Interjet have raised a buttload of money and have bargain basement CASM. So it will be interesting to see how it goes when SWA opens a main artery to the network. IAH might look like it was a better choice in a few years.

Flop, you appear to have the same selective memory as General Lee. IAH will NEVER be a better choice than Hobby for Southwest. Never. Remember being told numerous times? All of our passengers are at Hobby. That's why we wanted to do our international flying out of Hobby in the first place....and exactly why Unical tried to keep us from doing it--to prevent us from competing with them on a level playing field.

Bubba

 

[General Lee]

Flopgut,

Bubba doesn't realize that Hobby's shorter runways limit SWA on where they can fly and the size of plane. But, Bubba don't care, Bubba mainly likes Corpus and Little Rock turns! He is all over those! Good for him!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Once again another "brilliant" empty of content tired response from Jenny! Putz!