NetJets Unrest Puts Warren Buffett in a Rare Pinch

[G4dude]

G4,
I think she might be talking to you.
Helm

You might be right.

 

[Helmsalee]

Good answer.

 

[Diesel]

You are continuing to confirm what my friends have told me about you. A rather unpleasant man with absolute contempt for anyone who disagrees with you.

Ha that's hilarious. Unpleasant man. Lol. Good one.

Again you fail to answer questions. You have no experience in this matter. You provide no info to this subject worth knowing.

Yup I'm sure as hell going to disagree with anyone that thinks that being a scab is ok.

We have already heard about how your friends would be scabs again. So if they think I'm an unpleasant man that's fine with me. Those are people I'll never associate with.

Of course you won't answer questions. You keep trying to go personal with me to get me to do something. What? I'm not sure. You forget I know you so it's a two way street.

I am who I am. Everyone knows who I am. Unpleasant. Lol That has to be a first for me though. Hahaaaa

 

[Diesel]

My wife is laughing at your posts. She keeps asking, "Who is this idiot?"

Explain to her what being a scab means. That you've sold out your friends and union brothers to ensure you step up above them. What would she say what type of human she's married to?

 

[Diesel]

They told me these stories, one of the pilots was backed up by the flight attendant who saw it too. Sorry, that's what they told me. They were pretty mad about it. If you can't believe it, that probably means you are one of the vast majority of good guys, which is to your credit.

Haha a flight attendant backed it up??? There is a real reference for you. Lol.

 

[G4dude]

Explain to her what being a scab means. That you've sold out your friends and union brothers to ensure you step up above them. What would she say what type of human she's married to?

She HATES union hooligans.

 

[Diesel]

She HATES union hooligans.

Explain to her what the company is trying to do. Does she understand that the company wants benefits, pay and schedule cut?

What is your derogatory term of the company when you do freely through around union brothers and sisters as hooligans?

 

[G4dude]

Explain to her what the company is trying to do. Does she understand that the company wants benefits, pay and schedule cut?

What is your derogatory term of the company when you do freely through around union brothers and sisters as hooligans?

Fair questions. She has seen too many companies go out of business, and hates the groupthink and the coercion unions bring. As for the derogatory term "hooligans," I only refer to anyone who approves of coercion of fellow union members and mistreatment of same. If you think bad treatment of anybody who disagrees with you is ok, you are a hooligan. Being angry with me? Fine. Disagreeing with me? Fine as well. Mistreating me forever? Not civilized at all. Especially when you know perfectly well my worry is the survival of our employer.

 

[G4dude]

Explain to her what the company is trying to do. Does she understand that the company wants benefits, pay and schedule cut?

What is your derogatory term of the company when you do freely through around union brothers and sisters as hooligans?

Of COURSE they want to compensate us less. And we want MORE. Negotiations happen that way. Lets see what the final offer brings, what we vote on. If it is bad, I will gladly join you on the picket line.

 

[G4dude]

Explain to her what the company is trying to do. Does she understand that the company wants benefits, pay and schedule cut?

What is your derogatory term of the company when you do freely through around union brothers and sisters as hooligans?

Oops, I fogot to answer your second question. My derogatory term for our current beloved EMT is "clueless." They know how to count beans without taking into account how to increase the bean bottom line by having the separate departments behave in a synergistic way. They are abrasive and petty.

 

[Diesel]

Fair questions. She has seen too many companies go out of business, and hates the groupthink and the coercion unions bring. As for the derogatory term "hooligans," I only refer to anyone who approves of coercion of fellow union members and mistreatment of same. If you think bad treatment of anybody who disagrees with you is ok, you are a hooligan. Being angry with me? Fine. Disagreeing with me? Fine as well. Mistreating me forever? Not civilized at all. Especially when you know perfectly well my worry is the survival of our employer.

Your worry for your employer is put above your union brothers and sisters getting a new contract.

You want civilized but want to step over the bodies when you cross. Ha. That's a good one.

Sounds like your wife has about the same experience as you. I would love to hear her extensive experience too. It's Sunday you two can regale us with stories of your experiences with unions and negotiations.

 

[G4dude]

Your worry for your employer is put above your union brothers and sisters getting a new contract.

You want civilized but want to step over the bodies when you cross. Ha. That's a good one.

Sounds like your wife has about the same experience as you. I would love to hear her extensive experience too. It's Sunday you two can regale us with stories of your experiences with unions and negotiations.

...sigh...

 

[Diesel]

...sigh...

I've got all day to be regaled about the experience of your union negotiations. Please explain supply and demand to all of us and how that has worked time and time again in negotiations.

You're lucky I'm in and out all day but I'm in front of my computer every day from market open till 4 Monday through Friday to be regaled by you.

 

[G4dude]

I've got all day to be regaled about the experience of your union negotiations. Please explain supply and demand to all of us and how that has worked time and time again in negotiations.

You're lucky I'm in and out all day but I'm in front of my computer every day from market open till 4 Monday through Friday to be regaled by you.

I have said repeatedly this is my first Union rodeo. Is it your semi literate assertion that anyone with negotiating experience would agree with you?

 

[Diesel]

I have said repeatedly this is my first Union rodeo. Is it your semi literate assertion that anyone with negotiating experience would agree with you?

Being your first rodeo doesn't excuse the understanding that being a SCAB=BAD.

Being your first rodeo doesn't excuse you from supporting your union and your fellow brothers and sisters.

I encourage you to go to Omaha to picket or if you can't then you should support a pilot to travel out there.

 

[G4dude]

Being your first rodeo doesn't excuse the understanding that being a SCAB=BAD.

Being your first rodeo doesn't excuse you from supporting your union and your fellow brothers and sisters.

I encourage you to go to Omaha to picket or if you can't then you should support a pilot to travel out there.

I don't believe the Omaha picket is a good idea. Just negotiate vigorously and let's see what the finished voting product is.

 

[Diesel]

I don't believe the Omaha picket is a good idea. Just negotiate vigorously and let's see what the finished voting product is.

But you don't want to negotiate vigorously.... You've said that the supply and demand is going to fix everything...

So confused as to what you want.

 

[G4dude]

But you don't want to negotiate vigorously.... You've said that the supply and demand is going to fix everything...

So confused as to what you want.

I may not have said it right. What I meant is I think the pilot shortage will help us in getting what we want. In this case, during the negotiating process. And the threats from management are empty because of the shortage. They couldn't possibly replace us in the current market for the next several years.

 

[Diesel]

I may not have said it right. What I meant is I think the pilot shortage will help us in getting what we want. In this case, during the negotiating process. And the threats from management are empty because of the shortage. They couldn't possibly replace us in the current market for the next several years.

It's been going on for 2 years. How much longer do you want to wait for a new contract? How much longer do you want to go through this?

I mean it must be nice being on a different pay scale than everyone else at Netjets but for those of us that are pay capped and are actually going backwards we would like it done.

Please enlighten us how you would like the union to aggressively negotiate but you are unwilling to do anything to help with that. We would all love to hear your approach.

 

[G4dude]

It's been going on for 2 years. How much longer do you want to wait for a new contract? How much longer do you want to go through this?

I mean it must be nice being on a different pay scale than everyone else at Netjets but for those of us that are pay capped and are actually going backwards we would like it done.

Please enlighten us how you would like the union to aggressively negotiate but you are unwilling to do anything to help with that. We would all love to hear your approach.

I have been told by our members who are experienced in these matters that it takes several years, not just 2. Aggressive negotiations without the picketing and the embarassing ads sound right to me, by not reducing our demands much until they come quite a bit in our direction. Our new deal should be better for our FOs and at least as good for the captains, with COLAs for all in perpetuity, in my opinion. I don't think the company will stonewall at that in the end. Those of you who want more than that, great. I just hope we will have a profitable employer in the end.