NetJets Strike Vote Fails

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But you are correct it would be great to get back to business and stop the foolishness so everyone can get back to serving the Owners.

We serve the owners every day on every flight, dispite the roadblocks set up by management.

Sell core fleet, oversell Marquis, remain on a useless schedule, starts on two days and you have all the reasons we sell off. You can try and sell your party line that DNIFs are the cause of sell offs and you know full well it is a tiny percentage of the problem.

The merry go round of Upper management has failed to do anything more than stall a fair settlement with the pilots, and I know this has been a winning tactic, until IBT 1108, we'll take the time to get it right.
You cannot crew aircraft you don't have, these are UPPER MGT issues that have come home to roost, don't blame us for your stupidity.

 

[Hogprint]

CMHtroll said:

And as far as the hemorrhaging money, the pilots seem to be the major factor in that equation. With added DINF and other foolishness the Company is forced to have more sub-contract to cover the demand. Less money to pay crew with in the future. Looks like you are causing some self-inflicting wounds.

NO,NO,NO.....Wrong again sir.

This company had two years...TWO YEARS...to get ready for implementation of p.91k. They sat on their laurels thinking that the former regime would give them relief when, oh $hit, a new MEC was voted in. They didn't cave. The company is feeling the effects of this now.

Their model is broken. They have to do some major streamlining to right this ship.

Are you saying we have to fly sick? We can't DNIF? Is this safe? Would you put your family on a plane with sick pilots? This seems to be the company's stance. Sick notes from a doctor on the road and at home? More wasted time and money. I can't believe they are so stupid. Does this edict apply to casino workers?

Please tell us what other "foolishness" of which you speak?

No core fleet, piss poor scheduling, and a lack of planning on both contingencies...there are your self inflicted wounds.

 

[CMHTroll]

Facts

CMHtroll said:

Are you saying we have to fly sick? We can't DNIF? Is this safe? Would you put your family on a plane with sick pilots? This seems to be the company's stance. Sick notes from a doctor on the road and at home? More wasted time and money. I can't believe they are so stupid. Does this edict apply to casino workers?

No one has ever said fly sick. And you can DNIF. But isn't it unusual that when your MEC says put the pressure on that DNIF goes up several hundred percent, and when asked to provide a Dr. note it goes back to it's normal levels. Hmmmm sounds like blue flu to me, and every other intelligent person.

Selling off the core fleet? Majority was sold to Owners and Marquis. So misinformed you are my friend.

 

[Hogprint]

No one has ever said fly sick. And you can DNIF. But isn't it unusual that when your MEC says put the pressure on that DNIF goes up several hundred percent, and when asked to provide a Dr. note it goes back to it's normal levels. Hmmmm sounds like blue flu to me, and every other intelligent person.

Selling off the core fleet? Majority was sold to Owners and Marquis. So misinformed you are my friend.

Are you suggesting the MEC has asked for ILLEGAL job actions? If you are that is a bold statement. I can assure you that all the MEC has asked of this group is to fly the contract. Plain and simple. You management types can read into this as much as you want, but it just comes down to flying what was agreed to.

Look up the definition of DNIF. Doesn't have to be just sickness. Your barking up the wrong tree.

News to me about core fleet being sold to owners? Is this the new spin? This is not what BB was putting out at recurrent lately. Where did you get this info? Anything you can post?

 

[FAcFriend]

Are you suggesting the MEC has asked for ILLEGAL job actions?


Hog, the only person I have ever heard suggest job actions is you. You are constantly alluding to it here. I just ignore you and figure you are just a youngster.

Now, there are differences in illegal job actions and deliberate slow downs.
But a deliberate slow down, is verfiable and then it becomes an illegal job action.(i think)

It is important that everyone feel confident that the pilots are in charge on the road and take every situation individually and seriously. The pilots are individuals.

There are some rogue guys who try to bend the rules-pilots and non pilots.
These guys try to bend the rules if they are in negotiations or not-

And, all I hear from NJA - is they dont want pilots to bend the rules- either way. And if you are hearing otherwise, which you sometimes do- it is because the culture is changing for the better, and not everyone is on board yet.

And yes, the pilots are helping to change the culture and the company will be better off for it in the long term.

Read Crossing the Chasm- a good book about how companies go from little cos to big companies successfully-

 

[Hogprint]

FacFriend said:

Hog, the only person I have ever heard suggest job actions is you. You are constantly alluding to it here. I just ignore you and figure you are just a youngster.

That is utter poppycock.

Post ANYTHING I have ever said suggesting that this pilot group resort to job actions. Just find one thing. I think you may be confusing me with someone else.

The only thing I alluded to was Trolls assertion that the MEC supported this.

Get your facts straight.

 

[Starman]

Get your facts straight.

These guys have absolutely no interest in facts. They love spin though.

 

[Hogprint]

Starman that is so true! I got up with the rooster this morning, and fired off a couple of posts. Had not checked the other board yet.

Challenged CHMtroll on a spin statement. Fired up the pager and hit the other board and sure enough, there it is. A Just Gary memo that the parrots on here regurgitate.

So early in the morning too!

 

[CMHTroll]

Coded message coming through

FacFriend said:
That is utter poppycock.
Post ANYTHING I have ever said suggesting that this pilot group resort to job actions. Just find one thing. I think you may be confusing me with someone else.
The only thing I alluded to was Trolls assertion that the MEC supported this.
Get your facts straight.

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“Pilots are professional enough to leave the sick and fatigue issue now and as professionals we don't engage in illegal activities, period.”



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“We got caught, so back off the activity. We kept it legal but it is time to leave this action - now.”



Legal barely!

 

[El Chupacabra]

We all would be better off with a release and get it over with.