NetJets Strike Deadline??

[El Chupacabra]

Who was it that said "F the pilots!" during negotiations to the union negotiationg committee? Are his initials BB? Bridgeway Bob.

I won't be happy until he is canned.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Who was it that said "F the pilots!" during negotiations to the union negotiationg committee? Are his initials BB? Bridgeway Bob.

I won't be happy until he is canned.

??? are you refering to Bridgeway Bob or Bill Boisture? And when did either one say this?

 

[x402]

??? are you refering to Bridgeway Bob or Bill Boisture? And when did either one say this?

Mr Boisture. You mean he didn't put that up on the Intranet? My my my, maybe you aren't getting the whole story. hmmmmmm

 

[FamilyGuy]

Mr Boisture. You mean he didn't put that up on the Intranet? My my my, maybe you aren't getting the whole story. hmmmmmm

so tell the whole story....or are we just supposed to get a teaser that alleges inappropriate behavior. Tell the whole story, in context, for everyone to judge. Failure to do so just leads everyone to doubt your claims.

And what does Bridgeway Bob have to do with it?

 

[x402]

so tell the whole story....or are we just supposed to get a teaser that alleges inappropriate behavior. Tell the whole story, in context, for everyone to judge. Failure to do so just leads everyone to doubt your claims.

And what does Bridgeway Bob have to do with it?

I just answered a question you posted. I'm tired of posting here and having prolonged rants from people that claim to be NJ employees. We value the work you do and are trying to complete a fair contract for the pilot group.

The quote you used answered the 'where' question.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I just answered a question you posted. I'm tired of posting here and having prolonged rants from people that claim to be NJ employees. We value the work you do and are trying to complete a fair contract for the pilot group.

Give me a break x402.....you cant characterize your response as just 'answering your question'.....Lets take a closer look at your 'answer'...

Mr Boisture. You mean he didn't put that up on the Intranet? My my my, maybe you aren't getting the whole story. hmmmmmm.

If you're so tired of getting prolonged rants from people then maybe you should reconsider your posts that bait people into responding to you.....

And thank you for the comment on the value of our work. I wish you and the rest of the pilot group the best in getting a fair contract.

 

[x402]

Give me a break x402.....you cant characterize your response as just 'answering your question.....Lets take a closer look at your 'answer'...



If you're so tired of getting prolonged rants from people then maybe you should reconsider your posts that bait people into responding to you.....

And thank you for the comment on the value of our work. I wish you and the rest of the pilot group the best in getting a fair contract.

After all of your snide comments and trying to get 'inside' info that is on an open board, I feel no regret in a little editorial comment of my own. Sorry you weren't amused.
It's a nice day there go outside and bbq, have some fun, I am.

 

[Hogprint]

Hogprint - Old posts or New, you should know as well as I do that most people are forming their opinions of the NetJets pilots based on what they are reading here. The fact that some of those posts are nine months old just makes it more aggregious. People have had nine months to come to their senses and go back and edit their posts to remove the more inflammatory and derogatory responses, yet they've chosen not to. Why? I can only surmise that they dont want to because it is truly representative of how they feel, even when removed from the 'high tensions' at the time.

I get the feeling that most people have formed their opinions about Netjets out on the street. Not from this here bitch board.
Everyone has an opinion on this. You may not like it. It is their right to post however. Challenge them in the arena of ideas.

As a former officer in the army I'm sure you are well familiar with the phrase - Praise in public, d*mn in private. It should go without saying that this is a public board and everyone should act accordingly.

I also find it amusing that you try and brush off these vilifying comments with the line about "can you blame a brother for spouting off after waiting three years for that?" So we are supposed to 'forgive and forget' these comments because it happened nine months ago and it was in the 'heat of the moment'????
People needed to vent. This may not be the best forum to do that, but I think it is indicative of the frustration with this whole process.

Your position on this raises an interesting question in my mind....Does your forgiving nature extend to others outside of your union? I've seen several references on these boards to alleged comments by Mr. Santulli after the last contract was negotiated, usually along the lines of "you could have done much better". I was here when the last contract was reached and I've never seen or heard any comments by Mr. Santulli along those lines, nor do I think he would ever say anything like that - he's too savvy of a businessman to say something that incriminating when he knows that he will be negotiating with that same group three years down the road....it just doesnt make any sense.

Yes I am forgiving. Until proven otherwise, I will hold his feet to the fire on this one.

I've personally gone through 2 union negotiations and watched multiple others from the outside over the years. IMO, this alleged comment by Mr. Santulli is more likely urban legend that's been perpetuated as bulletin board material to simply enrage the rank and file. Regardless of whether the comment is factual or fantasy, this is something that happened over 6 years ago! Are you willing to forgive and forget this transgression in the same manner that you dismiss these far more recent posts from your union brothers? If you can't then you're just being hypocritical.....

Agreed. This could be tribal knowledge. If memory serves me well, this statement was repeated to a X crew. Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Since I am trying to keep an open mind here, and I'm also curious, I'd like to extend the same challenge to you that you gave to me.... Provide any link you can that shows Mr. Santulli telling the union that they could have done much better. I'd be satisfied with a newspaper article or a video of the statement. Surely something that provocative has to be preserved for posterity somewhere......

I accept that challenge. I'd still be satisfied with anything you can produce also. I noticed you haven't found anything just yet. There has to be something in all that Brdwy Bob material you would think?


I already answered your question on the vilifying posts, so I take it you are refering to the point I made about the old and new union leadership both promising kick ass pay.

I dont care if you call it kick ass pay, industry leading pay, 90th percentile pay, etc...its just semantics. You want to split hairs and argue that the new MEC didnt use that exact language? Fine....they didnt use that exact language. Just remember.....a rose by any other name is still a rose. Your MEC's actions reveal that they are still aiming at the same target. Call it what you will, but you've got a proposal in front of you that, from my perspective, looks like a 25% increase and everyone is bemoaning the fact that its not enough. When 25% isnt enough that tells me everyone still has dollar signs in their eyes and are still thinking kick ass pay.

I know you don't care. I do want to split hairs. I will not let you get away with disinformation. Your opinion is just that. That is fair play. Lets keep this between the lines.

 

[Hogprint]

Hog - I think you're off base on this one. I've personally passed pilot feedback onto the FBO group and always received timely feedback. Sometimes they've changed things and other times they've told us they wouldnt use the other FBO due to low insurance, poor service, etc.... I dont think that falls under the dont care banner....

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I could be way off base. I am only going on what I have tried to accomplish from my end.

I have tried in the past to head off the train wreck, only to see it happen with no action from above.

It has happend too many times to just be isolated incidents.

Don't get me wrong. FM's have helped me with a lot of stuff out on the road and I have appreciated all the help.

Operational and scheduling fumbles are another matter. BB has stated himself that they know the system is broke. I heard that with my own ears in recurrent.

So, I may not be as far off base as you think.

 

[Hogprint]

And you want to accuse me of spreading disinformation? I havent dodged any question. I copied in 19 derogatory posts from your union brothers and you try to discount them. Again, we all know that "my union speaks for me"....so all of these posts must be sanctioned by your central union leadership.
The vast majority of those post were under your former beloved regime.

I also asked you to divulge the screen names of your current union leadership or give me access to your website so that I could research and provide their derogatory responses...you were the one that dodged that request.

Nice try...again. Hear me now...listen to me later

I will never divulge those names. If you call that a dodge, so be it.