NetJets Smoking Question

[gunfyter]

Maybe Wilson Poll could determine which is more distracting to a crew ... I-pod music or smoke?

 

[fischman]

When owners smoke they not only put the crew in a health danger.

Come on man. That is ridiculous. I've been here almost 4 years and in that time I have had less than a handful of smokers. That is not a health danger.

Plus if you are THAT offended by it, put on the mask, or go to a 121 carrier where it is prohibited.

 

[Diesel]

I didn't realize you were an MD. Must be tough doing all those transplants and fly those 7 day trips.

We have a lot of crews here that pride themselves on the marathons they run and the workouts they do. (i'm not one of them )

I don't care what they do because I do a lot of worse stuff to my body, but I'm not going to poo poo their healthy lifestyle or health concerns that they might have from 2nd hand smoke.

 

[gunfyter]

I guess it may not be that bad if you do not happen to be allergic. I probably have used about 30 sick days due to smoking flights... over 9 years.

I finally got on 2 allergy meds which cost me about $65/mo co-pay... and took shots every couple of weeks for 3 years... which has reduced the incidence of actually having to DNIF. But I still feel bad after exposure to smoke.

 

[TWA]

If you don't like the smoke, there is nothing stopping you from finding a different job where you won't encounter that type of health risk. God knows there are 100 people ready and willing to take your place that won't mind it.

 

[Diesel]

Only 100? Probably 10's of thousands, but those here aren't going to lower a personal bar because someone else wants their job.

Good luck with that application.

 

[fischman]

If you don't like the smoke, there is nothing stopping you from finding a different job where you won't encounter that type of health risk.

Bingo.

It is a SMALL part of thejob.

If you can't stand the heat, time to get out of the kitchen

 

[gunfyter]

No. Time to work to end the injustice.

Hopefully we are only a few months away from a more LABOR-friendly administration (not in the pocket of big-tobacco) who will see the injustice that flight-crews are one of the only groups not guaranteed a Smoke-free work environment.

 

[fischman]

I didn't realize you were an MD. Must be tough doing all those transplants and fly those 7 day trips.

We have a lot of crews here that pride themselves on the marathons they run and the workouts they do. (i'm not one of them )

I don't care what they do because I do a lot of worse stuff to my body, but I'm not going to poo poo their healthy lifestyle or health concerns that they might have from 2nd hand smoke.

Never claimed to be an MD did I? I'm just saying that a couple of flights over the span of YEARS is not a "health danger" and is melodramatic. Chill out man

 

[gunfyter]

I am not an MD ... but I studied quantum electrodynamics in college.

Here is one of the major processes that cause lung cancer.

It was mentioned that a higher health risk exists because of the time one spends at high altitude. There is exposure to higher radiation levels.

Yes there is more radiation but the radiation mostly passes through you with no effect. HOWEVER if you are a smoker or have smoke or other particulates in the lungs...

Radiation particles adhere to the smoke particulates in the air and the lungs. The smoke particulates then stick to mucus in the lungs -- with the potentially dangerous radiation particles. If not for the smoke you exposure to these particles lasts only as long as the flight. Not so if you exposed to both smoke and radiation.

When these particles stuck in your mucus decay ... hours or days later ... you risk the cause of a cancer in the lungs.

This is the same reason living in a home with high levels of RADON gas can cause lung cancer ... but mostly only to people who smoke or work in very dusty conditions like a coal mine.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Many airlines that charter allow smoking on charters.

 

[B727FA]

I'm surprised you guys didn't get that banned when negotiating your contract.

It can't be...the OWNERS are just that; they OWN the plane. The house keeper can't tell the boss she can't smoke in her own house.

 

[Diesel]

Never claimed to be an MD did I? I'm just saying that a couple of flights over the span of YEARS is not a "health danger" and is melodramatic. Chill out man

I'm as chill as a cucumber. Smoke doesn't always have long term affects but short term affects such as increased asthma irritation, and allergy complications.

If the big man didn't smoke we'd have gone non smoking a long time ago. Look at CS, they have non smoking airplanes and I bet you they offer it a sales pitch to those that don't smoke.

 

[flagshipper]

If the big man didn't smoke we'd have gone non smoking a long time ago. Look at CS, they have non smoking airplanes and I bet you they offer it a sales pitch to those that don't smoke.

This is true. CS sales guys use it as a selling point. They said the only reason NJ allows it is because upper level mgmt has some smokers.

I actually had to make a stop one time with an owner because he wanted to smoke. No fuel was uploaded.

 

[Daveflier]

I had an owner ask if he could smoke a cigar. He had his own ashtray and said he would sit in the aft seat and try to be considerate as possible. I said -let me see if it would bother my partner-as I smoke cigars and if he got tired of those nice Dunhills I could give him something "cheaper" from my stash. He enjoyed his cigar-it was no worse than some of the cigarette smokers I've had in the back-and on the way out-stuck 6 Dunhills in my hand!

 

[fly26]

I wish NJA was a non-smoking company like CS. But, it is such an infrequent occurance that it is pretty much a non-issue. Breathing all the Jet A fumes on the various FBO ramps has got to be more of a health issue than a once a year inflight smoker.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

This is true. CS sales guys use it as a selling point. .

That's smart!
No one wants to get a plane after some skanky smoker has violated it...and anyone can tell even if they've used an ozone machine/nasty air freshener/etc. I think we all can tell if someone has smoked in a hotel room, no matter what measures they try to take.
Yuck. If so many "don't" smoke, it only makes sense it is a selling point that "we don't allow smoking on our planes."

 

[G200_PILOT]

RTS himself used to chain-smoke. I used to fly him quite a bit and on one trip, the FO put his mask on. RTS laughed at him.

 

[gunfyter]

I think we will never be smoke-free unless the government mandates it. NJ Europe and Asia ... doesn't everyone smoke in Europe and Asia?

 

[acaTerry]

Breathing all the Jet A fumes on the various FBO ramps has got to be more of a health issue than a once a year inflight smoker.

But it smells better than cigs!