Netjets Question...

[FurloughedAgain]

I'd much rather be an FO at NJA ,than making less $$ as a Captain at a regional...Not that they don't get my respect, but you get my drift..

Well it's a good thing they have your respect. They sure as heck don't have much of mine.

 

[CRJFlyer]

I was just making an attempt to be diplomatic:laugh:

now I'm pretty young, but the spikey haired asian FO with the backpack a few weeks ago scared me...

I don't think I looked that young even freshman year of college..I felt for his Captain who looked like he ws making every attempt not to be associated with him. But in the end he was guilty by association.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Someone on here was a revenue passenger on a flight that had an F/O with a mohawk...

... but I'll let him tell the story.

 

[CA1900]

Someone on here was a revenue passenger on a flight that had an F/O with a mohawk...

... but I'll let him tell the story.

HA! Thanks...

Wasn't an actual mohawk, mind you, but rather a regular haircut smashed into the shape of a mohawk with copious amounts of Regionäle brand hair gel.


Didn't exactly leave a good impression of Trans States in my mind!

 

[lookin4better]

Funny!!

I think its called a Faux-hawk.....and its not very professional looking ( unless you cut hair at Super Cuts ) and they wonder why they cant get paid like professionals.

 

[CA1900]

I think its called a Faux-hawk.....

YES! I knew there was a name for it... too funny....

He'd have fit in great as a waiter at Friday's. (And actually, working for Hulas, he may have had to do that on his days off!)

 

[lookin4better]

yup....oh thats funny about the Fridays server......maybe it was his Pro Pilot " Flare!"
definitly fits in better for that job , not too much as a 'professional' pilot...

oh well....glad im out of that regional bunch. ( however there are a good number of normal guys/gals at regionals that try hard to remain professional in both appearance and attitude ----cant label them all as Faux-hawkers )

 

[Dr Pepper]

I am one of those SICs that trades off flying and non-flying duties. First flight is the Captains leg, next is mine, then capt's, then mine, and on and on. If it is an empty leg at the start or end of the day, and mine to fly, I'll do it from the left seat. I like to be comfortable in either seat. All the PICs have asked me, before our very first flight how I want to do it - left only, right only, or flip-flop, or whatever.

Back to the original question. In my limited experience, PIC does the exterior walk around. SIC is inside, cleaning tables, windows, floors, hand prints from the cabinets. SIC checks stock to see what is needed and stocks accordingly. If at a locker, either SIC or PIC if inside, gets stock and brings to locker. SIC makes sure ice, coffee, hot water, lav water, papers, and catering are good and on the plane. Once the back of the plane looks good, then you worry about clearance, ATIC, smashing buttons and checklists. Customers will and do show early. It has happened several times this week - 45 mins early. One person greets pax outside the plane and then takes care of bags, if there are any. The other greets the pax inside, checks manifest and IDs (could be done already), briefs on safety, catering, and flight time and conditions.
Then you fly. That is your job when the plane is moving. You do not have to tend to the pax. Most will not bother you. Some will talk to you if you are not busy, usually after we notice them looking at the cockpit and we speak to them. The majority know their way around the drawers.
One customer brought us some of his birthday cake, already sliced, so we would not refuse. It is good.
Another group of customers poured crushed pringles in the cubby hole where the phone is. Not cool.
After landing, one person goes out and gets the bags, the other says goodbye and then picks up the trash, wipes down the trays and windows, vacuums floor, orders lav, papers, and catering. PIC orders fuel, gets flight release, calls CANPASS if going to Canada (or puts out some other fire). Clean back, then checklists up front, repeat next flight.
The cleaning is easy if everyone helps out and you stay up on it.
Last flight is over and plane is clean, PIC does the books, SIC gathers the stuff off the plane, both put plane to bed (pitot and engine covers, batteries pulled, choked, brakes released, locked), figure out trans, go to hotel, call travel if reservations are messed up, order food for next day, sleep.
Sometimes you will do this routine only once a day, sometimes 6 times a day.

 

[skiandsurf]

SIC is inside, cleaning tables, windows, floors, hand prints from the cabinets.

Last trip (over xmas), we had a family with a couple of kids. Upon arrival, it was snowing outside, and the grandfather and husband went to get the car. The young mom was onboard with her boys. The plane was a mess. I was talking to the mom and the kids, and I told the boys that we were going to play a game. The objective of the game, was to see which kid could put the most trash in the trashcan. They went crazy cleaning up the plane. The mom wanted me to come to their house to play the same game.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Hi!

ALL pilots at NJA are type-rated and wear four stripes.

cliff
CDI

Only PIC's wear four stripes at NJA, though all are type-rated.

Where did you get the idea that all NJA pilots wear four stripes?

 

[VVJM265]

Only PIC's wear four stripes at NJA, though all are type-rated.

Where did you get the idea that all NJA pilots wear four stripes?

Probably from some of the double PIC paired crews he has seen on the road in a few of the fleets.

 

[popgoesbubble]

I'm with you guys. Really does'nt make a difference, however, it is nice to have the option.
One last ? If your an SIC in the falcon you can fly from the left seat on empty legs?
I guess this makes my decesion to apply and leave CS a little more complicated.

RCA I've read some of your post on different threads and it sounds like your NOT a Big UNION supporter?

If so you do know that we are 100% Union and if your not a big fan I would recommend going to work for Clay Lacy or staying at CS. We don't need Non union types here.

I still can't figure out why people that hate Unions so much still come to work for NJA? Is it because we have such a good QOL? Can someone please explain to me how our QOL, Pay and Benefits improved 150% since NOV 2005?

 

[realityman]

pop,

Kinda harsh on non-union types, aren't ya? I got news for you, when I started here (back in '97) I was a non-union type.

So why did I take the job? Because it was better than the place where I was currently working, and looked like a good stepping stone to better things. But over time, I became a union supporter.

Once you're involved with rules actually put in writing, union protections and benefits, and not having to go it alone when looking for a raise or better QOL, people can change their minds.

RCA, even if you're a non-union type, come on over! We need good qualified guys here. The QOL is great (and the money ain't too bad either!) and it's a great group of people to work with. You don't have to love the union to love the benefits we've gotten from it, which is why I predict you'd support the union even as a 'non-union' type.

 

[gunfyter]

Prediction:

Crystal ball on:

SICs flying from left seat will go away soon. We will do things the airline way ... everybody keeps their own seat and switch legs every other leg.
​

Crystal ball Off.

 

[aeropharoh]

anyone at nja know how long it is taking to get an interview

 

[popgoesbubble]

I disagree we have plenty of Non Union guys here (A Team'r) that suck the Benefits but yet will violate the contract to there benefit.

I just ran into a FO based out of MSP on the Ultra was bragging about having a +15 hour duty day and flying in excess of 9 hours in one day. Openly states he doesn't care for Unions when he was hired here back in OCT 05.

I Know a capt thats been here as long as you based in AUS that violates every corner of the contract was telling all the crews in DAL back when we didn't have HBA's that he was gonna cross the picket line if we striked! This same guy married some super rich lady and doesn't even need the job! and will tell you in a heart beat that we were making plenty of money under the Old Old contract $27K and votes against any formof a pay raise we have tried to get because he thinks we should all be paying the company to fly for them! This is No Joke this guy really thinks this.

I personally dont want any non Union guys here! if you feel that way hey go to Clay Lacy ask those guys how they like the upgrades and QOL its all based on Ass kissing! had a cousin working for good ol Clay was in line to upgrade but guess what a couple of his old UAL buddies (Scabs) needed a job and he hired them as off the street captains instead of a guy flying his line for +3 yrs. Now its his own fault for going to Clay lacy I wouldn't touch a non union outfit period!

Like I said it funny to hear these guy say I wanna work for NJA cuz are pay and QOL are the tops right now yet can't figure it out that non of this wouldn't have happened without the union and I'm not talking about those pre 04 sausage jockies that were running the game here.

 

[flywest]

I Know a capt thats been here as long as you based in AUS that violates every corner of the contract was telling all the crews in DAL back when we didn't have HBA's that he was gonna cross the picket line if we striked! This same guy married some super rich lady and doesn't even need the job! and will tell you in a heart beat that we were making plenty of money under the Old Old contract $27K and votes against any formof a pay raise we have tried to get because he thinks we should all be paying the company to fly for them! This is No Joke this guy really thinks this.

Sadly, I can confirm this as true . . . I have flown with this guy as well. I feel bad for the guys that get paired up with people like this on a regular basis. I don't think I could make it a full 7 days with him!

He is definately in the minority though, as most guys I have flown really support the union.

 

[realityman]

Pop,

That is a sad story. I agree, we have a few here who are anti-union. But honestly, how many do you really think we have here who think like that?

Like I said, I was anti-union when hired, but I changed my mind relatively quickly, and had a great time flying the pledge when it became necessary. Once people see the benefits of what our union can accomplish for everyone, I think they'll come around.

Also, I don't know the guy you're talking about, but if he's been here as long as me, then he's been here a while. And I remember very clearly what things were like back then. Lots of special deals being made. And bending of the contract rules to get things done for the company. Can't say I'm totally innocent of the second part myself. But that stopped for me a decade ago when I quickly realized that giving an inch ALWAYS meant they'd try to take a mile. Got old quickly.
Anyway, this guy probably had all sorts of special deals going, and regularly bent the contract to his advantage. Hey, who cares about a union when you could get away with stuff like that? But now, 1108 is working hard at creating rules and contract sections that make special deals vanish, or very hard to set up to begin with. And they're beginning to monitor a lot closer who is regularly violating the contract. So this guy is probably feeling threatened, and is watching his ill-gotten extra income vanish as his special deals go away.

But newhires won't have special deals. So they won't have that animosity associated with the loss of a special deal. And I believe that most will see, as I eventually did, that the union works FOR us, not against us. And for those that don't, they will certainly be in a very small minority and therefore be inconsequential in any important decisions. In fact, if they get in the habit of trying for special deals, or bending contract rules, they may just find themselves sitting in either the union or company hot seat one day.