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I better call the uniform company -- they've been mistakenly sending 3-stripe stuff to us for years now!
You're correct about the type rating, though.
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I better call the uniform company -- they've been mistakenly sending 3-stripe stuff to us for years now!
You're correct about the type rating, though.
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They must have issued me 3 stripes on accident then!!!!
we are typed as PIC's but as far as the company/union go we are paid SIC rates and have SIC authority until our seniority can hold PIC...Now if I found a part-time gig in a X I can fly as a PIC...
As far as bringing in PIC time to FedEx or SWA, I'd be willing to bet they have an idea that if we've been at NJA for 2 years and have 1000+ PIC hours in a X...they'd get a funny feeling something isn't right. They have to know the size f NJA and that upgrades are not 1 or 2 years... NJA also keeps duty/flght records for many years and keeps track of PIC/SIC hours, landings IMC etc...Every flight you do as a SIC, from either the left or right seat, will be logged as SIC in the companies eyes. Also in the eyes of those carriers that require you to "sign for the a/c.." ie:..SWA
we are typed as PIC's but as far as the company/union go we are paid SIC rates and have SIC authority until our seniority can hold PIC...Now if I found a part-time gig in a X I can fly as a PIC...
As far as bringing in PIC time to FedEx or SWA, I'd be willing to bet they have an idea that if we've been at NJA for 2 years and have 1000+ PIC hours in a X...they'd get a funny feeling something isn't right. They have to know the size f NJA and that upgrades are not 1 or 2 years... NJA also keeps duty/flght records for many years and keeps track of PIC/SIC hours, landings IMC etc...Every flight you do as a SIC, from either the left or right seat, will be logged as SIC in the companies eyes. Also in the eyes of those carriers that require you to "sign for the a/c.." ie:..SWA
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Hi!
Thanx 4 the correction.
I thought that it was a sort of industry standard: If you get a type, you wear 4, and if you get a FO training you wear 3 until you upgrade.
Personally, I like to fly. If it's a good company, with a decent compensation package, I don't care what seat I'm in, how many stripes I have, or if I fly Capt or FO. I'd rather fly FO somewhere great, than be a Capt at a not so great place.
NJA sounds like a very good place to be.
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Thanx 4 the correction.
I thought that it was a sort of industry standard: If you get a type, you wear 4, and if you get a FO training you wear 3 until you upgrade.
Personally, I like to fly. If it's a good company, with a decent compensation package, I don't care what seat I'm in, how many stripes I have, or if I fly Capt or FO. I'd rather fly FO somewhere great, than be a Capt at a not so great place.
NJA sounds like a very good place to be.
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I agree with that....A 4 striper flying for a shi^^y 135..(kinda like the one I just left) gets little respect if you will, versus even a 3 striper at a place like NJA. Same goes for a regional Captain in my eyes... I'd much rather be an FO at NJA ,than making less $$ as a Captain at a regional...Not that they don't get my respect, but you get my drift.. Personally it's all about the mighty $$$... But I do realize we as FO's got a pretty descent x-mas gift from NJA.. (not that we didn't deserve it though!) we all deserve more than we're making, especially at the regional level.
just my .02
just my .02
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Well it's a good thing they have your respect. They sure as heck don't have much of mine.
I was just making an attempt to be diplomatic:laugh:
now I'm pretty young, but the spikey haired asian FO with the backpack a few weeks ago scared me...
I don't think I looked that young even freshman year of college..I felt for his Captain who looked like he ws making every attempt not to be associated with him. But in the end he was guilty by association.
now I'm pretty young, but the spikey haired asian FO with the backpack a few weeks ago scared me...
I don't think I looked that young even freshman year of college..I felt for his Captain who looked like he ws making every attempt not to be associated with him. But in the end he was guilty by association.
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Someone on here was a revenue passenger on a flight that had an F/O with a mohawk...
... but I'll let him tell the story.
HA! Thanks...
Wasn't an actual mohawk, mind you, but rather a regular haircut smashed into the shape of a mohawk with copious amounts of Regionäle brand hair gel.
Didn't exactly leave a good impression of Trans States in my mind!
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YES! I knew there was a name for it... too funny....
He'd have fit in great as a waiter at Friday's. (And actually, working for Hulas, he may have had to do that on his days off!)
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yup....oh thats funny about the Fridays server......maybe it was his Pro Pilot " Flare!"
definitly fits in better for that job , not too much as a 'professional' pilot...
oh well....glad im out of that regional bunch. ( however there are a good number of normal guys/gals at regionals that try hard to remain professional in both appearance and attitude ----cant label them all as Faux-hawkers )
definitly fits in better for that job , not too much as a 'professional' pilot...
oh well....glad im out of that regional bunch. ( however there are a good number of normal guys/gals at regionals that try hard to remain professional in both appearance and attitude ----cant label them all as Faux-hawkers )
I am one of those SICs that trades off flying and non-flying duties. First flight is the Captains leg, next is mine, then capt's, then mine, and on and on. If it is an empty leg at the start or end of the day, and mine to fly, I'll do it from the left seat. I like to be comfortable in either seat. All the PICs have asked me, before our very first flight how I want to do it - left only, right only, or flip-flop, or whatever.
Back to the original question. In my limited experience, PIC does the exterior walk around. SIC is inside, cleaning tables, windows, floors, hand prints from the cabinets. SIC checks stock to see what is needed and stocks accordingly. If at a locker, either SIC or PIC if inside, gets stock and brings to locker. SIC makes sure ice, coffee, hot water, lav water, papers, and catering are good and on the plane. Once the back of the plane looks good, then you worry about clearance, ATIC, smashing buttons and checklists. Customers will and do show early. It has happened several times this week - 45 mins early. One person greets pax outside the plane and then takes care of bags, if there are any. The other greets the pax inside, checks manifest and IDs (could be done already), briefs on safety, catering, and flight time and conditions.
Then you fly. That is your job when the plane is moving. You do not have to tend to the pax. Most will not bother you. Some will talk to you if you are not busy, usually after we notice them looking at the cockpit and we speak to them. The majority know their way around the drawers.
One customer brought us some of his birthday cake, already sliced, so we would not refuse. It is good.
Another group of customers poured crushed pringles in the cubby hole where the phone is. Not cool.
After landing, one person goes out and gets the bags, the other says goodbye and then picks up the trash, wipes down the trays and windows, vacuums floor, orders lav, papers, and catering. PIC orders fuel, gets flight release, calls CANPASS if going to Canada (or puts out some other fire). Clean back, then checklists up front, repeat next flight.
The cleaning is easy if everyone helps out and you stay up on it.
Last flight is over and plane is clean, PIC does the books, SIC gathers the stuff off the plane, both put plane to bed (pitot and engine covers, batteries pulled, choked, brakes released, locked), figure out trans, go to hotel, call travel if reservations are messed up, order food for next day, sleep.
Sometimes you will do this routine only once a day, sometimes 6 times a day.
Back to the original question. In my limited experience, PIC does the exterior walk around. SIC is inside, cleaning tables, windows, floors, hand prints from the cabinets. SIC checks stock to see what is needed and stocks accordingly. If at a locker, either SIC or PIC if inside, gets stock and brings to locker. SIC makes sure ice, coffee, hot water, lav water, papers, and catering are good and on the plane. Once the back of the plane looks good, then you worry about clearance, ATIC, smashing buttons and checklists. Customers will and do show early. It has happened several times this week - 45 mins early. One person greets pax outside the plane and then takes care of bags, if there are any. The other greets the pax inside, checks manifest and IDs (could be done already), briefs on safety, catering, and flight time and conditions.
Then you fly. That is your job when the plane is moving. You do not have to tend to the pax. Most will not bother you. Some will talk to you if you are not busy, usually after we notice them looking at the cockpit and we speak to them. The majority know their way around the drawers.
One customer brought us some of his birthday cake, already sliced, so we would not refuse. It is good.
Another group of customers poured crushed pringles in the cubby hole where the phone is. Not cool.
After landing, one person goes out and gets the bags, the other says goodbye and then picks up the trash, wipes down the trays and windows, vacuums floor, orders lav, papers, and catering. PIC orders fuel, gets flight release, calls CANPASS if going to Canada (or puts out some other fire). Clean back, then checklists up front, repeat next flight.
The cleaning is easy if everyone helps out and you stay up on it.
Last flight is over and plane is clean, PIC does the books, SIC gathers the stuff off the plane, both put plane to bed (pitot and engine covers, batteries pulled, choked, brakes released, locked), figure out trans, go to hotel, call travel if reservations are messed up, order food for next day, sleep.
Sometimes you will do this routine only once a day, sometimes 6 times a day.
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Last trip (over xmas), we had a family with a couple of kids. Upon arrival, it was snowing outside, and the grandfather and husband went to get the car. The young mom was onboard with her boys. The plane was a mess. I was talking to the mom and the kids, and I told the boys that we were going to play a game. The objective of the game, was to see which kid could put the most trash in the trashcan. They went crazy cleaning up the plane. The mom wanted me to come to their house to play the same game.
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Only PIC's wear four stripes at NJA, though all are type-rated.
Where did you get the idea that all NJA pilots wear four stripes?
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