Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

NetJets posts

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web
Register   Log in
better pay and better shcedules to be voted on before thankgiving. seems like it will pass. only bad thing is for the new guys won't be able to live where they like, only 5 bases. cmh, dal, ewr, lax, or pbi
 
BOOYA said:
better pay and better shcedules to be voted on before thankgiving. seems like it will pass. only bad thing is for the new guys won't be able to live where they like, only 5 bases. cmh, dal, ewr, lax, or pbi
Click to expand...

Can you pick a base or is it assigned?
 
BOOYA said:
better pay and better shcedules to be voted on before thankgiving. seems like it will pass. only bad thing is for the new guys won't be able to live where they like, only 5 bases. cmh, dal, ewr, lax, or pbi
Click to expand...

The domiciles after ratification will be CMH, DAL, LAX, PBI and TEB. EWR is pretty close to TEB - what's a few miles between friends, relatively speaking?
 
Capt. JD said:
Can you pick a base or is it assigned?
Click to expand...

The TA says the company must state the domicile in the employment offer letter. The company assigns it. Will they take into account where a particular applicant lives or wishes to be based? Unknown.
 
Guitar Guy said:
The TA says the company must state the domicile in the employment offer letter. The company assigns it. Will they take into account where a particular applicant lives or wishes to be based? Unknown.
Click to expand...

this is what I've heard, I believe you can bid another base when there is an opening
 
I haven't seen that in the TA anywhere.

13.2(b) Domicile Assignment
13.2(b)(i) All crewmembers hired after ratification of this Agreement shall report to a Domicile (or satellite airport when applicable) as directed by the Company, until such time as the crewmember is eligible to use a Home Base Airport. New hire Crewmembers must be informed no later than the official offer of employment which Domicile the Company will require each new hire to report for duty prior to employment.

The only way to change domiciles that I can find in the TA are 1) if the company adds a new domicile; 2) the company closes your domicile; or 3) you become senior enough to bid to a HBA.
 
Grizz said:
I haven't seen that in the TA anywhere.

13.2(b) Domicile Assignment
13.2(b)(i) All crewmembers hired after ratification of this Agreement shall report to a Domicile (or satellite airport when applicable) as directed by the Company, until such time as the crewmember is eligible to use a Home Base Airport. New hire Crewmembers must be informed no later than the official offer of employment which Domicile the Company will require each new hire to report for duty prior to employment.

The only way to change domiciles that I can find in the TA are 1) if the company adds a new domicile; 2) the company closes your domicile; or 3) you become senior enough to bid to a HBA.
Click to expand...

ouch . . .
 
gunfyter said:
And the way I do the math.

If 2000 pilots take the HBA right now. The seniority list would have to grow to nearly 6000 before the next pilot gets an HBA. 3800 more newhires from now.
Click to expand...

We have around 2200 pilots right now (we'll use that number).

Let's just say all 2200 pilots elected HBA participation. Remember, you still have HBA eligiblity if you don't WAIVE your HBA rights even if you live and work at a domicile.

The company may limit the # of HBA pilots to 30% on the most current seniority list.

IF the company did limit participation to 30%, then we would need to hire 5,135 pilots before the very first pilot hired after TA ratification would be allowed to HBA it. We would need 7,335 pilots on the seniority list...with only 2,200 "guaranteed" the use of the HBA system.

7,335 * .3 = 2200.5 (30% of the "current seniority list")

If you are hired and the company insists that you report to a domicile, just tell them no. The company CAN offer a newhire HBA participation to new hires if they can't get enough new pilots on property. Of course, a no might mean you don't get the job so it all depends on whether you want to move or not.

That's how I read it.

"13.1(b) Home Base Airport Participation
The Company may limit Crewmember participation in the Home Base Airport system to thirty (30) percent of the total number of Crewmembers on the most current seniority list, including crewmembers who have relinquished Home Base Airport rights pursuant to Section 13.2(b). Such percentage may be less than thirty (30) percent if crewmembers designate Domiciles, or more than thirty (30) percent because of grandfather rights as defined in Section 13.1(a)."
 
Last edited:
TurboJetCpt.......

So what---- new hires aren't going to be able to get an HBA assignment. The Company only wants those guys out of CMH, TEB, DAL, LAX and PBI.

They'll hire the few qualified pilots from those areas and then the pool is going to dry up.

Once that happens they will have to do what they did 7 years ago....expand the HBA (gateway) system. Its absolutely amazing they didn't learn that from the past.

I wonder if they think they are going to get a huge influx from any "aquisitions" that might come in the near future? I guess those folks might getted "rooked" over pretty bad....."Oh, you still want a job?..Then you'll have to move!!!! TEB is nice this time of year.....and by the way....Merry Christmas"
 
DO-82 driver said:
TurboJetCpt.......

So what---- new hires aren't going to be able to get an HBA assignment. The Company only wants those guys out of CMH, TEB, DAL, LAX and PBI.

They'll hire the few qualified pilots from those areas and then the pool is going to dry up.

Once that happens they will have to do what they did 7 years ago....expand the HBA (gateway) system. Its absolutely amazing they didn't learn that from the past.

I wonder if they think they are going to get a huge influx from any "aquisitions" that might come in the near future? I guess those folks might getted "rooked" over pretty bad....."Oh, you still want a job?..Then you'll have to move!!!! TEB is nice this time of year.....and by the way....Merry Christmas"
Click to expand...

exactly...
I just don't think it's going to work for the company...
 
Base limited to 5

May see some pilots sign on and get a new type rating and a few hours on the new aircraft.

Eat at Steve's Steak House in TEB, network on the road and move on with no training contract.

Looks as if you might have started a type rating mill.

Or they might rethink the HBA and save training cost.

Mobie

TurboJetCpt said:
exactly...
I just don't think it's going to work for the company...
Click to expand...
 
No 2 year contract?

mobie said:
May see some pilots sign on and get a new type rating and a few hours on the new aircraft.

Eat at Steve's Steak House in TEB, network on the road and move on with no training contract.

Looks as if you might have started a type rating mill.

Or they might rethink the HBA and save training cost.

Mobie



​
Click to expand...

Wait there is no training contract?!?!? Is the airplane type included in the letter of hire along with base assignment?
 
Grizz said:
If the TA is ratified, training contracts are a thing of the past.
Click to expand...

Yet more proof that NJA is REALLY desperate for bodies.

HOWEVER... good riddance to the freakin' training contract!!!!!
 
Yup. As Mobie implied, people can now get sick of "Domiciles" and leave without consequece. Home Basing will be a self-correcting issue as long as they have recruiting/retention problems.

NJA would've sunk under the weight of idiocy were it not for the bouyant piles of money it floats on.
 
Getting in late on this one. If someone can set me straight please. As of today NetJets allows there pilots to live in anyone of 25gateway cities. Seattle being one of them. So the T/A passes I assume all current pilots living in SEA or any of the 20 cities on the current list of gate ways will be grandfathered in, or will they have to pick one of the 5 remaining cities to call home?

I just don’t see how they think they can drop so many recruiting cities and still be able to hire enough qualified pilots? It is 1200 miles to LAX from SEA.

As a burnt out regional commuter this is a real downer for someone who has been eyeing NJA for a while as a way to be based at home.


It is easy for the airlines to get people they just make them commute on there own time.
 
othello said:
As a burnt out regional commuter this is a real downer for someone who has been eyeing NJA for a while as a way to be based at home.




Yes, I had been looking too, but this is a deal breaker. I'm not moving again! Too bad, that was one of NJA's best features :(
Click to expand...
 
All current pilots will be grandfathered for the use of homebasing - the gateways will be reduced to the five that you mentioned. So if you live in SEA now you could use it as an HBA assuming that you were on property before the TA was ratified.
 
Want to work for NJA and fly from home as a new hire?

HERE is how you MIGHT be able to fix it. Interview with NJA, when offered a job say you'll take it IF you can fly from home. They'll politely decline your offer. Ask them to keep your packet in the accepted stack and that you need to think about it. Follow up in a week with a snail mailed, registered letter to hiring making the same request. After a few of these letters start to accumulate, VIOLA! you guys and gals will be flying from home. How do I know this will work?

Because that's basically how we got gateway cities in the first place.

Times a wastin'.....set up your interviews NOW.
 
*somewhat off-topic question. my apologies*

is there a difference in the aircraft available at the different bases? will TEB have bigger, better airplanes (meaning more senior pilots and, thusly, better pay) then CMH or are all the bases on an even playing field? the CJ2 pilots can live in the same city as the Gulfstream pilots? (just using those 2 as an example of the disparity in aircraft complexity. i have no idea if NJ has either of those planes)
 
cforst513 said:
*somewhat off-topic question. my apologies*

is there a difference in the aircraft available at the different bases? will TEB have bigger, better airplanes (meaning more senior pilots and, thusly, better pay) then CMH or are all the bases on an even playing field? the CJ2 pilots can live in the same city as the Gulfstream pilots? (just using those 2 as an example of the disparity in aircraft complexity. i have no idea if NJ has either of those planes)
Click to expand...
Your home basing airport will not matter. The company airlines you to meet up with your aircraft, whatever fleet catagory (weight) you're in. Netjets does not have CJs, the new contract (if passed) will allow NJA pilots to bid into the NJI Gulfstream fleet on a limited basis.
 
So if the company flys you to your airplane anyway, why do they want to pick your domicile from the five? As I understand it, they pick one of the five as a domicile for you. Is this correct?
 
911lil said:
So if the company flys you to your airplane anyway, why do they want to pick your domicile from the five? As I understand it, they pick one of the five as a domicile for you. Is this correct?
Click to expand...

Yes that is correct. It makes little sense, and has not made sense for years. But this is what the wanted.
 

Share this page

Latest posts

Latest resources

Latest media

Carbon Cub FX-3 Shenandoah Valley
Carbon Cub at Kittyhawk
FX-3 in the backcountry
IFR Panel in a Carbon Cub FX-3
Cub-Provo-UT-c.jpg
Back
Top Bottom