Netjets pbi?

[learflyer]

Sorry, tried picking through all of the threads, but are they or are they not hiring pilots to base at pbi? Do all the newhires have to commute to cmh? grassy ass.

 

[CA1900]

Short version: I applied in January for PBI, and got an e-mail a few weeks later saying my app had been accepted, and said, "We will contact you when selected for a future interview date." I'm still waiting.

 

[widespreadpanic]

PBI has opened back up. I have a friend who had PBI as first choice and was called for an interview in August.

Good Luck
WP

 

[Guitar Guy]

Just as a heads-up to those of you who are waiting for specific domiciles. There is now a letter of agreement between the union and the company that offers any new domicile openings to pilots currently on the seniority list. For example, say an 800XP pilot was hired and assigned to TEB but he/she really wanted PBI for a domicile. Under the LOA, any opening for an 800XP FO in PBI must first be offered to the existing NJA pilot before it is offered to a new-hire. However, once the current pilot makes that domicile change, he/she is "domicile locked" (NOT equipment locked) for 2 years.

 

[gunfyter]

Thats right. The fastest way to get the Domicile you want is go to one ou do not want first.

 

[positiveg]

Excuse my ignorance, but how are the aircraft distributed over the differen't domiciles?

 

[notaNJApilot]

15 of 16 7/10/06 new hires are CMH based. But if other domiciles are opened up, as was previously said, current employees will have first pick.

 

[Nightmare67]

Still just hiring into CMH and LAX...

The good news is, looks like you will be able to bid into another domicile soon.

Also, and this is just what I heard from one of our new hire mentors, The union is trying to talk the company into letting a domicile based pilot airline home to an airport other than his/her domicile. The pilot would have to pay any difference but the plan is to have the companies travel dept make the booking for the lower fare and non restricted tickets.

Could be nice

 

[flywest]

Also, and this is just what I heard from one of our new hire mentors, The union is trying to talk the company into letting a domicile based pilot airline home to an airport other than his/her domicile. The pilot would have to pay any difference but the plan is to have the companies travel dept make the booking for the lower fare and non restricted tickets.

Could be nice

Actually, its already in the contract. You can call the company travel dept and have them book it (but you have to pay a service fee), or you can just do it on your own.

13.6 Travel to Location Other Than Home Base Airport, Domicile or Satellite Airport on a Crewmember’s Last Day
If a crewmember requests to travel on his last day of duty to a location other than his designated Home Base Airport, Domicile or Company-directed Satellite Airport, he shall pay the difference in travel costs, if any, between travel to the desired location and travel to the Home Base Airport, Domicile or Satellite Airport, whichever is applicable. Additionally, the crewmember shall be responsible for arranging travel beyond the point at which the crewmember requests to travel to a location other than his designated Home Base Airport, Domicile, or Company-Directed Satellite Airport, whichever is applicable. The duty period and all overtime shall end at the time the crewmember would have arrived at the crewmember’s Home Base Airport, Domicile, or Company-directed Satellite Airport, whichever applies, as determined by the scheduled travel method and not the actual arrival time of the scheduled travel method. Should the scheduled method of returning the crewmember to his Home Base Airport, Domicile, or Company-directed Satellite Airport require the Crewmember to arrive after 2400 local Home Base Airport, Domicile, or Company-directed Satellite Airport time, the crewmember will be compensated per the requirements of Section 19.5, provided the crewmember has not waived his rights to 19.5 compensation pursuant to Section 13.1(c)(iii).

 

[NFOtoPilot]

I interviewed and got hired in April for PBI but was not offered a starting date until Aug 28. A bit weird but I think an earlier new hire took the slot in PBI that I interviewed for. Hopefully it opens up for others.

 

[CFI4LIFE]

Still just hiring into CMH and LAX...

I'm sure I could search for it, but what a/c are LAX based pilots assigned to? Thanks.

 

[Guitar Guy]

I'm sure I could search for it, but what a/c are LAX based pilots assigned to? Thanks.

Seems like the company is putting new-hires for all fleets into all domiciles. This isn't like an airline that might have an LAX base for only the 767, NJA seems to be putting new-hires for all fleets into all 5 domiciles.

 

[CFI4LIFE]

Gotcha, thanks.

 

[yosemite]

Domicile LOA's for NJA new-hires

Gentlemen, and ladies...

paraphrased:

LOA 13-001-Part 1

WHEREAS, the parties agree Section 13.2(b)(i) grants the Company sole authority to determine the first domicile assignment of a pilot hired after the date of ratification of the Agreement; and

WHEREAS, the parties agree pilots covered by this LOA will be eligible to change domiciles subject to the terms of this LOA; and

WHEREAS, the parties agree to establish a preferential Standing Bid system; and

WHEREAS, the parties intend for this LOA to be immediately effective on the date it is signed; and

NOW, THEREFORE, the parties stipulate and agree as follows:

1. All pilots hired after November 21, 2005 shall have domicile assignment bidding rights pursuant to Section 5.1 of the Agreement (i.e., seniority based) and as set forth in this LOA.

2. All pilots will be grandfathered into their existing domicile on the date this LOA is signed unless a crewmember elects to bid, or swap, for a new domicile assignment consistent with this LOA.

3. The term “Aircraft Program Position” refers herein to aircraft type and seat position (Captain or First Officer), or aircraft having a common type rating which have been separated into two or more fleets as provided in Section 5.13 of the Agreement and seat position (Captain or First Officer) of the pilot. The pilot’s Aircraft Program Position will commence on the first day associated with training resulting from a bid award.

4. The Company will implement a preferential standing bid system (hereinafter “Standing Bid”) for all pilots on the NetJets Aviation, Inc. Pilots Seniority List within 30 days of signing this LOA. Each pilot’s Standing Bid will provide the pilot with the option to rank:

a. All Company Aircraft Program Position preferences; which may result in a bid award to a Company posted First Officer or Captain vacancy that will be awarded as expressly defined in Section 5.4 of the Agreement; and,

b. All domicile preferences; which may result in a bid award to a Company posted domicile vacancy as provided in this LOA to a domicile expressly defined in Section 13.2(a)(i) and 13.2(c) of the Agreement.

The parties agree to publish a mutually agreeable Standing Bid form that reflects this preferential bidding system within ten (10) business days of the signing of this LOA. A pilot may submit the Standing Bid in accordance with the deadlines expressly defined in Section 5.9 of the Agreement.

As provided in the existing collective bargaining agreement (“CBA”), pilots are reminded that a First Officer receiving Captain Bypass pay who refuses a Captain upgrade in his current fleet for any reason shall immediately lose Captain Bypass pay and shall instead be paid according to his basic position and fleet (e.g., Class 1 First Officer).

Subsequent to the execution of this LOA, a First Officer receiving Captain Bypass pay who does not maintain as his # 1 Aircraft Program Position preference a selection for Captain in his current fleet shall immediately lose Captain Bypass pay and shall instead be paid according to his basic position and fleet (e.g., Class 1 First Officer).

In order to effectuate the terms of this paragraph, the parties agree the Company shall convert all Aircraft Program Position Standing Bids (in existence on the date this LOA is executed) according to according to i, ii and iii below:

• For all pilots’ existing preferences (including the second and subsequent preferences of First Officers receiving Captain Bypass pay) the Company shall convert to the highest preference the pilots’ highest paying existing preference and continue converting existing lower paying preferences in descending order until all existing elections are converted.
  • In the event a pilot has existing selections for two or more aircraft in the same Aircraft Class, the Company shall place the aircraft with the heavier MTOW in the more preferred position.

• For Bypassed First Officers, the Company shall default to entering Captain in the Pilot’s current fleet as the # 1 preference.

• A Standing Bid form submitted by a pilot shall supercede a Standing Bid form converted by the Company.

5. There will be no restrictions on a pilot’s bidding rights provided for in Section 5 of the Agreement. The Company will award Aircraft Program Position vacancies (Captain or First Officer) pursuant to Section 5.4 of the Agreement, and in accordance with the preferential Standing Bid based on a pilot’s first available preference. Where a pilot has the seniority to be awarded multiple Aircraft Program Positions, he will be awarded the most preferred position according to his Standing Bid. Aircraft Program Position bids that close on the same date will be awarded simultaneously in the manner indicted above.

a. By way of example, consider a First Officer in the CE-560 fleet. The Company simultaneously posts bid vacancies for a Captain to the CE-750 fleet and a Captain to the G-200 fleet. If a pilot has ranked the G-200 ahead of the CE-750 on the Standing Bid, and has the seniority to hold both Aircraft Program Positions, then the pilot will be awarded the G-200 Position.

6. The Company will simultaneously award posted vacancies at domiciles to pilots pursuant to this LOA. Company-posted bid vacancies will be awarded in seniority order to pilots currently assigned the Aircraft Program Position posted on said bid. Bid vacancies will be awarded in accordance with the preferential Standing Bid and a pilot’s first available preference. Where a pilot has the seniority to be awarded a vacancy at a domicile in his assigned Aircraft Program Position, he will be awarded the most preferred vacancy according to his Standing Bid.

a. By way of example, consider a First Officer assigned to the CE-560 fleet in TEB. The Company simultaneously posts bid vacancies for a CE-560 First Officer in LAX and PBI. If a pilot’s standing bid indicates a preference for LAX before PBI and TEB then the pilot will be awarded the LAX vacancy.

The Company will post bids for domicile vacancies by Aircraft Program Position 45 days prior to the 30 day domicile transition window provided in Section 9 of this LOA. Domicile vacancy bid awards will be awarded no fewer than 10 business days, but no more than 14 business days, after posting of the Domicile vacancy.

The Company will continue to inform new hires no later than the official offer of employment to which domicile the Company will require each new hire to report for duty prior to employment as provided in Section 13.2(b)(i) of the Agreement. Said new hires will only be offered domicile vacancies that are not filled by pilots on the NetJets Aviation, Inc. Pilots Seniority List.

 

[yosemite]

Gentlemen, and ladies...

paraphrased:

LOA 13-001-Part 2

1. The only exception to the procedures in Sections 5 and 6 of this LOA is First Officers who are eligible for upgrade to Captain where a First Officer elects to prioritize a specific domicile in conjunction with an upgrade opportunity in a specific fleet/program. A pilot may do so by selecting “Domicile Change with Upgrade Opportunity Preference” on their standing bid. When a pilot’s Standing Bid indicates a preference for a specific domicile preference in conjunction with specific Captain upgrade opportunities in specific fleets/programs, the Company will award said pilot his preferred domicile and the most preferred Captain upgrade opportunity at that domicile; provided said pilot has the seniority to be awarded the domicile vacancy as defined in this LOA and the Captain bid award pursuant to Section 5.4 of the Agreement. In this exception, pilots will change domiciles and upgrade to Captain simultaneously. Provided, in no case will this exception or the Company impede another pilot’s rights to change domiciles pursuant to this LOA or be recognized as a Home Base Airport Pilot (HBA) as expressly defined in the Agreement. Upgrade to a fleet/program or transition to a fleet/program will be solely based on seniority pursuant to this LOA and the Agreement.

a. By way of example, consider a CE-560XLS First Officer who is domiciled in CMH. On the Standing Bid, the First Officer prioritizes a move to PBI in conjunction with an upgrade in specific aircraft fleets/programs. On the same form the First Officer selects the G-200 as his first preference and the CE-750 as his second preference. The Company simultaneously posts vacancies for a G-200 Captain domiciled in CMH and a CE-750 Captain in PBI, and the pilot has the seniority to hold the Captain’s seat in both the G-200 and the CE-750. In this example the Company automatically would award the pilot the CE-750 Captain bid domiciled in PBI.

b. By way of example, consider a CE-560XLS First Officer who is domiciled in CMH. On the Standing Bid, the First Officer prioritizes a move to PBI in conjunction with an upgrade in specific aircraft fleets/programs. On the same form the First Officer selects the G-200 as his first preference and the CE-750 as his second preference. The Company simultaneously posts vacancies for a G-200 Captain domiciled in CMH and a CE-750 Captain in PBI, and the pilot does not have the seniority to be awarded either Captains bids. In this example the pilot’s domicile or Aircraft Program Position would remain unchanged.

2. Pilots hired after ratification of the Agreement who bid for, and are awarded Company-posted domicile vacancies, therefore changing their original new hire domicile assignment, will no longer be eligible to bid, or be awarded Class 1, 2, or 3 Company-posted First Officer vacancies. All pilots on the NetJets Aviation, Inc. Pilots Seniority List will retain all bidding and bid award rights pursuant to Section 5 of the Agreement, and as further provided in this LOA.

a. By way of example, consider a Citation Excel First Officer who was domiciled in CMH. On the Standing Bid, the First Officer submitted a standing bid for a domicile change to PBI. The First Officer was awarded a domicile vacancy in PBI as provided in this LOA. Subsequently, said First Officer is not eligible for any Class 1, 2, and 3 First Officer positions. On the same Standing Bid the First Officer elects to bid for; 1) Captain – CE-560E, 2) Captain – 400XP, and 3) Captain – CE560XLS. The Company simultaneously posts Captain vacancies for the CE-560E, 400XP, and CE-560XLS. The pilot has the seniority to hold the Captain’s seat in all three fleets and his Standing Bid shows the CE-560XLS as the pilot’s most preferred available vacancy. In this example the Company will award the pilot the CE-560XLS bid. The pilot will be assigned a Captain - CE-560XLS Aircraft Program Position and will be eligible to bid, and be awarded, Company posted Aircraft Program Position vacancies at domiciles in his Aircraft Program Position.

3. When a pilot is awarded a vacancy that involves a change in domicile, that pilot must transition to the new domicile within 30 days of bidding the award. Further, that pilot must identify which first day of a designated duty tour within that 30-day period he or she will begin utilizing the new domicile. A pilot must accept an award based upon his Standing Bid.

4. Pilot domicile designations may be “swapped” (exchanged) between pilots at their sole discretion; provided, those pilots are in the same Aircraft Program Position. In the event two pilots elect to swap domicile assignments, they must simultaneously notify the Company in writing of their domicile “swap” and transition start dates at least 30 days prior to the later of the designated transition start dates. A “transition start date” is defined as the first duty day of the first duty tour in the new domicile. Transition start dates of the two pilots must be within 30 days of each other.

5. A pilot awarded a domicile vacancy without a change in Aircraft Program Position will be “domicile locked” for two (2) years against future domicile awards. Pilots covered by this LOA will be provided one (1) domicile lock waiver. This waiver must be submitted in writing, and the Company will recognize waiver request within 14 days of receipt. A pilot requesting a waiver must successfully bid and be awarded a vacancy at a domicile as provided in this LOA prior to transferring domiciles. Pilots will retain the right to “swap” domiciles at their sole discretion as provided in Section 7 above.

6. Nothing contained in this LOA will alter the moving expenses provisions of Section 15 of the Agreement. Any pilot moving from an assigned domicile to a new domicile is not eligible for moving expenses under Section 13.2(b)(i)(2) of the Agreement.

7. Nothing contained in this LOA will alter the Company’s right to require a pilot who is assigned to any domicile to use a satellite airport on a tour-by-tour basis as set forth in Section 13.3 of the Agreement.

8. No pilot on the NJA Pilots Seniority List will be bumped or otherwise involuntarily displaced from his domicile as a result of the provisions of this LOA except as otherwise allowed by the Agreement.

9. The Company will not be required to release a pilot from conflicting duty for the purpose of the pilot moving between domiciles except as otherwise provided by the Agreement.

10. A pilot changing domiciles will remain responsible for the costs of traveling to his domicile for any scheduled day of duty; provided, Sections 13.6, 13.7 and 20 of the Agreement will apply in full.

11. A pilot changing domiciles will remain responsible for ensuring that he or she is in position to perform duty as briefed by the Company.

a. By way of example, if the Company briefs a pilot at 7 pm local on his or her last day off to begin duty 10 hours later at the pilot’s domicile or satellite, the pilot remains responsible to ensure that his or her Residence as defined in Section 3.50 is located close enough to allow the pilot to report ready for duty as directed.

12. Travel from a pilot’s Residence to his or her domicile/satellite is not considered a break in rest within the meaning of Section 28.4 of the Agreement.

19. The Union and Company will meet during a ninety (90) day “implementation period” following the execution of this LOA to resolve pilot disputes or disagreements that arise during the implementation period; provided, the parties agree all grievances filed over the implementation of this LOA and its terms will not enter the minor dispute process defined in Sections 21 and 22 of the Agreement for the first one hundred and twenty (120) days after the execution of this LOA; and provided further, the parties recognize seniority will always prevail in any disputes that arise over domicile assignments and are not resolved by this LOA. During this implementation period the parties will have the ability by mutual consent to revise the published Standing Bid. The final Standing Bid will be published within 10 days of the completion of this implementation period.

20. This LOA shall become amendable when the Agreement becomes amendable in accordance with Section 30 of the Agreement.

 

[yosemite]

Gentlemen, and ladies...

paraphrased:

LOA 13-002

WHEREAS, the parties agree this LOA shall modify Section 13.6 of the existing collective bargaining agreement (“CBA”) for a pilot who is assigned to a Domicile; and

WHEREAS, the parties intend for this LOA to be effective as early as practicable but not more than ninety (90) days after the date it is signed.

NOW, THEREFORE, the parties stipulate and agree as follows:

• Domicile based pilots who use the Company issued credit card and who request travel to a location other than his Domicile/Satellite pursuant to Section 13.6 of the CBA will continue to be responsible for the additional costs incurred by the Company for such travel; however, the Company will bill to the pilot’s Company issued credit card the travel to the ‘other’ location; and

• • The pilot shall reimburse the Company for all additional costs of said ‘other location’ travel not more than thirty (30) days after such travel is complete; and
  • The Company may withhold from a pilot’s final pay any outstanding travel costs associated with travel referred to herein.

• Notwithstanding contrary provisions in Section 13.6, the Company travel department will arrange travel requests for Domicile based pilots who use the Company issued credit card and who request travel to a location other than his Domicile/Satellite pursuant to Section 13.6 of the CBA; provided, the Pilot makes such a request pursuant to paragraph 3 of this LOA.
• A Pilot covered by the terms of this LOA shall be allowed to submit a maximum of one (1) travel request per duty tour for travel to a location other than his Domicile/Satellite; and

• • The Pilot will make such request via Company provided electronic device using the established functionality tool and pursuant to the notice requirements; and
  • Notwithstanding the pilot’s travel request, the Company reserves the right to require the pilot to travel to his Domicile/Satellite as part of a required flight crew; and
  • In the event the Company has arranged for the pilot to travel to his Domicile or Satellite as a non-revenue passenger on a Company aircraft, then the pilot who elects to travel to a location other than his Domicile/Satellite shall be responsible for all travel costs incurred by the Company; and
  • All provisions related to the pilot’s duty period, overtime and after midnight returns, which are expressly defined in Section 13.6, will remain in full effect.

• For the purposes of determining whether additional costs were incurred as a result of a pilot’s requested travel (versus travel to the pilot’s Domicile/Satellite) the Company agrees to continue using its established cost containment practices. The parties agree the requirements of the CBA and the highly volatile nature of travel fares will be considered by the parties in the event of a dispute over the application of this paragraph.

• The Union and Company will meet during a ninety (90) day “implementation period” following the execution of this LOA to resolve pilot disputes or disagreements that arise during the implementation period; provided, the parties agree all grievances filed over the implementation of this LOA and its terms will not enter the minor dispute process defined in Sections 21 and 22 of the Agreement for the first one hundred and twenty (120) days after the execution of this LOA. During this implementation period the parties will have the ability by mutual consent to revise the terms of this LOA.

This LOA shall become amendable when the Agreement becomes amendable in accordance with Section 30 of the Agreement.

 

[notaNJApilot]

LOA 13-003 replaces 13-001. It says the same thing except that bypass FO's must have captain in their current aircraft selected as any one of their preferences (13-001 said it had to be their #1 preference).