NetJets not furloughing because of charter

[B19 Flyer]

So we have pretty much established that whatever the reason that NJ isn't furloughing (negative customer perception, Santulli and Buffett are great guys, training costs, etc, etc.) that if furloughs *had* been decided upon by mgt. it would be extremely difficult to go through with them due to the NJ UNION CONTRACT. That appears to be a fact.

I'm not really a union man (having been hosed by unions more than helped by them) but in this case you can't argue that having a union and a good contract in place (with the right protective clauses in it) has not been a GOOD THING.

CS and Flex, on the other hand, can slice and dice pilots whenever and wherever they want---there's simply no protection whatsoever.

Guys, you are getting something for your union dues....

You are right, the contract is the reason NJ hasn't furloughed because of how much of a pain it's going to be to "right size" the operation a little at a time the way the others are.

No... instead, the contract is going to keep a lot of people on a lot longer which adds up to a lot more $$ being spent than should be.

When the time comes where something HAS to happen, the cuts are going to be deeper than anybody on this board thinks can happen. It will be a shame when it happens, but as I've always stated, the test of a union isn't during the good times.. it's how they react during the bad times.

I hope I'm wrong, but I believe it's only a matter of time before NJ can no longer absorb the high cost of keeping too many pilots on the payroll with an industry leading contract.

 

[gunfyter]

You mean the reason we haven't furloughed isn't because our management is so Awesome?

 

[B19 Flyer]

You mean the reason we haven't furloughed isn't because our management is so Awesome?

Exactly correct. They have leg irons on and are chained to the contract. Haven't you noticed them limping a lot lately?

 

[Bruce Dickenson]

Exactly correct. They have leg irons on and are chained to the contract. Haven't you noticed them limping a lot lately?

No, actually I haven't!

And if they were, how the F would you know?

 

[shroomwell]

The Union has done a great job. The contract had a lot of foresight in it. I think everyone knows the NJA is overstaffed, but regardless of whether the contract keeps the company from furloughing, if they don't furlough everybody will remember it.

Not furloughing will make everybody that much more loyal to the company.

 

[gunfyter]

Exactly correct. They have leg irons on and are chained to the contract. Haven't you noticed them limping a lot lately?

... Looks like I have more Faith in Management than you have....

When someone treats me right ... I won't forget....

If they have to furlough because of the economy ... I don't blame anybody ... But ...

If they are able not to furlough ... People are going to remember that.

 

[CRJFlyer]

Damn right!!! If we are able to NOT furlough..The day we hire our first new hire I am definitely sending RTS a letter of thanks from me, my wife and my 5 month old....

If we do furlough I obviously will understand why. And will be thankful it took as long as it did.

 

[gunfyter]

You know, I am going to write a letter too. Even though I am more than 2600 away from any furlough....

 

[CRJFlyer]

Yeah, I fully understand RTS is a business man, and for the most part it's really all about the $$$...And if it had made more financial sense to furlough some guys he probably would have already...

none-the-less....besides the economy I finally have a stress free work environment that I actually look forward to going to every other week... and any positive influence I can have on any one who makes decision about my families future I'll make an attempt to say thank you.. No matter what the true motives are that may have kept food on my table...

 

[shanes123]

Yeah, I fully understand RTS is a business man, and for the most part it's really all about the $$$...And if it had made more financial sense to furlough some guys he probably would have already...

none-the-less....besides the economy I finally have a stress free work environment that I actually look forward to going to every other week... and any positive influence I can have on any one who makes decision about my families future I'll make an attempt to say thank you.. No matter what the true motives are that may have kept food on my table...

DITTO!!

 

[FLYLOW22]

We'll all know soon enough.

 

[Hawker dude]

We'll all know soon enough.

what's that supposed to mean?

 

[x402]

I thought B19 had his own thread, what's he doing here. Did people stop chatting with him there?

 

[pilotyip]

what about the 18-19 day schedules, can those be eliminated? Or are those also locked into the contract?

 

[CRJFlyer]

Netjets doesn't have 19 day schedules