NetJets not furloughing because of charter

[Fozzy]

*yawn*

 

[djensen78]

to heck with furloughing I want to know when your going to start hiring again. Seems like the back of the bus has been full lately. hopefully its starting to come back some, I guess will see after spring break gets a little further away.

 

[CALRepublic]

there seems to be this perseption that NJ is immuned to the "Tough" times we are ALL experiencing today.

"If you've never changed your flight plan....one day you will....."I promise you."

So you're saying we (Netjets guys) think and claim our company is "immuned to the tough times we are all experiencing"..... is that what you're saying??....definetly getting tired of reading that...

Like I've said before, sometimes I feel like we have to apologize because we haven't furloughed anybody.....

You said "I don't want to see NJ furlough".... then you go on and write that "flight-plan changing" cr**p.....

 

[gunfyter]

I think NJ could meet the current flight demand we have had recently... with significantly fewer pilots than we now have....

Why has NJ not furloughed ...

Whatever the reason is ... if we are able to weather the storm without furloughs ... I think a lot of us are going to remember NJ did not furlough any of us when they could have....

 

[Twotter76]

Seems like the back of the bus has been full lately. hopefully its starting to come back some, I guess will see after spring break gets a little further away.

I agree. I just came back from a 6 day tour and was flying 4-6 hours every day. It was a nice change from sitting around hotels all week...

 

[B19 Flyer]

So we have pretty much established that whatever the reason that NJ isn't furloughing (negative customer perception, Santulli and Buffett are great guys, training costs, etc, etc.) that if furloughs *had* been decided upon by mgt. it would be extremely difficult to go through with them due to the NJ UNION CONTRACT. That appears to be a fact.

I'm not really a union man (having been hosed by unions more than helped by them) but in this case you can't argue that having a union and a good contract in place (with the right protective clauses in it) has not been a GOOD THING.

CS and Flex, on the other hand, can slice and dice pilots whenever and wherever they want---there's simply no protection whatsoever.

Guys, you are getting something for your union dues....

You are right, the contract is the reason NJ hasn't furloughed because of how much of a pain it's going to be to "right size" the operation a little at a time the way the others are.

No... instead, the contract is going to keep a lot of people on a lot longer which adds up to a lot more $$ being spent than should be.

When the time comes where something HAS to happen, the cuts are going to be deeper than anybody on this board thinks can happen. It will be a shame when it happens, but as I've always stated, the test of a union isn't during the good times.. it's how they react during the bad times.

I hope I'm wrong, but I believe it's only a matter of time before NJ can no longer absorb the high cost of keeping too many pilots on the payroll with an industry leading contract.

 

[gunfyter]

You mean the reason we haven't furloughed isn't because our management is so Awesome?

 

[B19 Flyer]

You mean the reason we haven't furloughed isn't because our management is so Awesome?

Exactly correct. They have leg irons on and are chained to the contract. Haven't you noticed them limping a lot lately?

 

[Bruce Dickenson]

Exactly correct. They have leg irons on and are chained to the contract. Haven't you noticed them limping a lot lately?

No, actually I haven't!

And if they were, how the F would you know?

 

[shroomwell]

The Union has done a great job. The contract had a lot of foresight in it. I think everyone knows the NJA is overstaffed, but regardless of whether the contract keeps the company from furloughing, if they don't furlough everybody will remember it.

Not furloughing will make everybody that much more loyal to the company.