Netjets "newhire to captain" timeframe??

[RedEye1]

www.airlinepilotpay.com shows 2900 pilots on board now, read on a post here that current upgrades are in the 1800 range of seniority?

 

[be-400xpdriver]

My personal guess would be no sooner than 6 or 7 years.

 

[RNObased]

10yrs, but I believe it was Wolf Pack that said you don't take a job at place based on when you would upgrade.

 

[brokeflyer]

Whatever they told you at the interview.

 

[captain dad]

About 2/3 of pilots at NJA are captains. We have atrition of about 80-100 a year from retirements, career changes, etc... If you get hired tomorrow you will be #3000 or so. In five years at the current rate of hiring and atrition, your seniority would be 2400-2600 out of 4400-4500. So five years if we keep hiring 300 a year.

This is all speculation and has a lot of variables. Personally, I wouldn't worry about the upgrade. The QOL for me is so much better than the airlines I could really care less.

Hope that helps.

 

[fischman]

There are sooooo many factors that can change upgrade time. Aircraft deliveries being the most obvious (Where is that 4000???). Training slots. Aircraft swapping by pilots. Etc...

When asked by applicants when they might expect upgrade we tell them "We don't know" because we don't. It is the only truthful answer we can give.

Anyone who tells you anything else is their personal guess. You should take it as that.

 

[BoeingBaller]

Just think at least 7 years of toolbag instruction.

 

[RNObased]

Just think at least 7 years of toolbag instruction.

Huh??

 

[pilot772]

(Where is that 4000???). quote]
Its Just over the "Horizon":beer:

 

[tankerswede]

Its Just over the "Horizon":beer:

And has been for 12+ years...but keep running toward the "horizon", I'm sure they'll get to it eventually :laugh:

 

[fly4funcrj]

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade. I'm a 3rd year f/o on the 18 day and without any ot, holiday pay or after midnights for the next few months will make 90k this year.

 

[Twotter76]

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade. I'm a 3rd year f/o on the 18 day and without any ot, holiday pay or after midnights for the next few months will make 90k this year.

+1 for this. It is definitely going to be awhile for the new hires but SIC pay here doesn't suck. You could probably safely assume 6 years and if it comes sooner then you can be pleasantly surprised. They told me 2 years when I got hired - I've been here three and still have 80 people in front of me. The point I am trying to make is you will be comfortable until your number comes up. Trust me when I say it wasn't always so.

 

[Abbey]

Upgrades go in the 1800's. They have been in the 1800's since 2005.

 

[jegermeister]

+1 for this. It is definitely going to be awhile for the new hires but SIC pay here doesn't suck. You could probably safely assume 6 years and if it comes sooner then you can be pleasantly surprised. They told me 2 years when I got hired - I've been here three and still have 80 people in front of me. The point I am trying to make is you will be comfortable until your number comes up. Trust me when I say it wasn't always so.

I'll second that. The upgrade will come when it does. I make more now as a new hire than I did as a six year Capt. at ASA. Had I gone to any other place, I'm fairly sure the upgrade would have been at least 5 years (without the fo pay I'm getting now). In addition to the pay, it's a great feeling to be part of a company that controls it's own future and treats it's fellow employees with class.

 

[727C47]

I'll second that. The upgrade will come when it does. I make more now as a new hire than I did as a six year Capt. at ASA. Had I gone to any other place, I'm fairly sure the upgrade would have been at least 5 years (without the fo pay I'm getting now). In addition to the pay, it's a great feeling to be part of a company that controls it's own future and treats it's fellow employees with class.

AMEN....

 

[jherk02]

10yrs, but I believe it was Wolf Pack that said you don't take a job at place based on when you would upgrade.

Pleez, pleez, pleez take upgrade time into account. It only makes sense to and there is a lot of factual information you can use to make an informed decision (or at least to come up with a "best case" upgrade time).

NJA will become a place where upgrade becomes rare. Especially if you are a forty-something (there are a lot of thirty-something Captains).

Attrition at 80-100 per year is accurate, but the more years you stay, the more of those quitting will be junior to you...so you have to account for that into your upgrade time.

But, if you can get in as close the 3,000 on the list as possible, you still should get the benefit of upgrade from growth (according to the company's goal of 5,000 pilots).

Sorry, but I hear a lot of folks say don't worry about upgrade time, and I don't think that is wise.

 

[jherk02]

I wouldn't worry about the upgrade. I'm a 3rd year f/o on the 18 day and without any ot, holiday pay or after midnights for the next few months will make 90k this year.

3YR FO base pay is about 78K on the 18-day. How do you make 90K without the premium pays?

 

[flywest]

3YR FO base pay is about 78K on the 18-day. How do you make 90K without the premium pays?

I think he means: if he doesn't get ANY MORE premium pay, he will hit 90k. Already got the OT and extended days to hit that mark for the year.

 

[fly4funcrj]

I think he means: if he doesn't get ANY MORE premium pay, he will hit 90k. Already got the OT and extended days to hit that mark for the year.

BINGO

 

[Guitar Guy]

But, if you can get in as close the 3,000 on the list as possible, you still should get the benefit of upgrade from growth (according to the company's goal of 5,000 pilots).

That's an old "goal", that 5000 number. There's going to be more of an emphasis on quality service than there will be on reaching a level of 5000 pilots. The last word I heard is that the company wants the NetJets name to have exclusivity rather than being like McDonald's or Walmart in terms of size.

Sorry, but I hear a lot of folks say don't worry about upgrade time, and I don't think that is wise.

While it's great to have an estimate on upgrade times, any estimate is essentially meaningless. So many factors can effect company growth and attrition to make an upgrade estimate invalid just a few months after it is given. While I think most people are probably pretty close with an estimate of 6-7 years to upgrade for a NJA new-hire, it's possible that it could be shorter... or longer. "Your mileage may vary", as the car ads say.

 

[T-1GUY]

You can add about 8,000 in per diem pay that you will not spend (216 * $40 on the 18 day). Food is more than plentiful and free. I gained 10 pounds the first year hear. Damn those free freshly baked cookies....

You can also make OT, Holiday, After midnight, Extended days.

Don't forget to fully fund your 401K for a company match of $7,750 or $10,000 (If your doing the after 50 catch up)

Family of four to Hawaii free on freebe pts.

A couple hundred in Atlantic, Denver, etc bucks

 

[Outta Here]

If your going to add all that in you might as well ad in our healthcare too. The company pays between 35 and 30 grand a year per person. But you can take into account what we DON'T have to pay per month as opposed to many other places.

 

[jegermeister]

Add company paid loss of licence insurance, life insurance, free uniforms (plus a yearly allowence to replace worn articles), dental insurance, vision insurance, a 401k match .50 cents on the dollar up to the federal yearly max, hotel and airline points.......

Did I mention you can move every 30 days and not have to worry about commuting (if live near one of the 100 domiciles)?

I'm still asking myself, "what's the catch?"

 

[Crobar]

I'm still asking myself, "what's the catch?"

We have to pay those stupid union dues

 

[jegermeister]

you mean 1.5% vs. 1.95% for an ALPA carrier? And the fact that this union seems to be making our lives better. I do admit...... I don't get the magazine anymore.

 

[Fozzy]

I do admit...... I don't get the magazine anymore.

And that is a bad thing??

 

[DO-82 driver]

Like a I told another pilot who wanted to come to NJA but won't now because of the up grade time.....

"Too bad you didn't sign on during the 1998-2001 or 2005-2007 period where all you had to do was fog a mirror and agree to report to one of the gateway/domiciles"

Guess things have changed.

Our hiring practices need much to be desired as well. I wish a few of my friend were able to sign on here. They are happy at other fractionals though.

 

[jegermeister]

And that is a bad thing??

read quote with heavy sarcasm

 

[CA1900]

"Too bad you didn't sign on during the 1998-2001 or 2005-2007 period where all you had to do was fog a mirror and agree to report to one of the gateway/domiciles"

Not really true... I had several friends shot down during the 05-07 period. There was a lot more to it than "fogging a mirror," at least in the latter period.

 

[windycty]

In the earlier hiring period you also had to write a BIG check to pay for your training.