Netjets New Payscale

[Diesel]

Dispatcher- Sorry i re read my post and realized i came across to strong. I apologize. My anger was more at family guy and you got caught in the middle.

I do believe the dispatchers at NJA are being overworked. That's why their are mistakes. They are few and far between but we are human. If dispatchers were fleet specific and also had a lot more of them we would be better off.

 

[Some Dude]

Dispatch is overworked so are most of the departments in the casino. I really do feel sorry for most of them. This management team is a wreck.

 

[GVFlyer]

United employees did serve on the board but I believe the pilots did NOT have a voting right on the board.

The Chicago tribune article that I posted eariler in this thread said that they had two voting directors on the board and more importantly:

Under United's ESOP, the pilots and machinists unions had veto power over major decisions--[and] most important, who ran the place.

GV

 

[VmaxFlyR]

Who is Netjets?

The question whether NJ has the money to pay is relevant. You may not be interested in flying for the current wages or whatever is agreed upon in the new contract, and you are free to leave if you dont feel it meets your satisfaction, but the hard truth is that there are 8,000+ pilots on furlough right now that would probably be very interested in flying for the current rates or the new ones. The fact that NetJets rates are not that far from the other fractionals and many airlines and they have a proposal for raises between 23-40% shows that they are being competitive for pilot talent.[End-Quote]


Question:
Why did Netjets atttempt to raise newhire pay, outside (above) current rates, if these 8,000+ furloughed pilots SHOULD have been more than glad to get any flying job, as you state?

What kind of employee should Netjets want to attract, and keep? Committed, long term employees, or those just looking to wait out their furloughed time? Stable companies need stable employees, no?

I thought Netjets preferred "career employees"...if not at least be honest enough at face value, like the commuters were, to represent that Netjets is just a "stop along the way."

 

[Sun Tzu]

8000+ out of work pilots??? Where are they? Last I heard there was only 116 new hires for the year. Netjets must be real picky or they just can't find new hires that want to work 17 day a month for 27k with no upgrade in sight. I have 3 friends that are former airline pilots, that will not come to work at Netjets for the money they are offering. They say they can stay home and make more money and be home every night. Yes, we could leave and go to work somewhere else. Most of us are waiting to see what the contract ends up being. If it doesnt meet what we are looking for, then I'm sure there will be alot of people leaving immediately and a bunch more over the next year. It's easier to find a job if you already have one! This whole contract mess is just business, nothing more, nothing less. If you take it personally then you have no business working for a company that uses Union labor. For all the casino employees that feel threatened by the Union, I'm sure you could go work for CS or Flops!

 

[dsptchrnja]

Heard this week from a training Capt. that we are getting an influx of United pilots and the interview classes are full. Many of these pilots are 16,000+ hour retired guys who are just itchin to fly. Welcome!

 

[VmaxFlyR]

Heard this week from a training Capt. that we are getting an influx of United pilots and the interview classes are full. Many of these pilots are 16,000+ hour retired guys who are just itchin to fly. Welcome!

What a "pleasure" it would probably be to fly with a "retired" (disgruntled?) United guy, whom after a long career, with plans of a nice retirement, foiled by pay and pension cuts, is forced back into the cockpit after age 60...I'm sure they'll be thinking: "this is sure some retirement I got..."

 

[Sun Tzu]

More hearsay from a casino worker. I really doubt there are very many 16000+ hour united guys coming to work here at netjets. If it is true then all the better. We have some of the most active union volunteers that are retired United Captains. They know what they are worth and have been through union busting tactics again and again and are not scared easily. I would rather see 500 retired United pilots than 500 first time CFI's that are just happy to be in the right seat of a shiny new jet. The seniority list will show the facts in the coming weeks.

 

[G4dude]

More hearsay from a casino worker. I really doubt there are very many 16000+ hour united guys coming to work here at netjets. If it is true then all the better. We have some of the most active union volunteers that are retired United Captains. They know what they are worth and have been through union busting tactics again and again and are not scared easily. I would rather see 500 retired United pilots than 500 first time CFI's that are just happy to be in the right seat of a shiny new jet. The seniority list will show the facts in the coming weeks.

Yep! They ruined United, now they can help ruin NJA, jumping off the ALPA broken down nag onto the Teamsters' equally destructive bunch of hooligans.

 

[Sun Tzu]

G4dude, you should move to management if you are not there already. Thinking like that has put the aviation industry in the toliet. Blame labor, blame the pilots, blame this, blame that. When management points a finger at pilots for causing a company to fall they have 3 fingers pointing back at themselves. Unions and organized pilots are not the problem! Last I checked, Southwest Pilots and Flight Attendents were unionized and I don't see their management blaming them for the current situation. There are more examples of poor leadership and bad management decisions than there are of Unions ruining an industry or company. It is real easy to make labor the vilian, while hiding mismanagement of resources and poor decisions.