NetJets International Interview

[Hogprint]

Fair enough. Let's see... as a direct result under your new leadership would you say you are happier, contented, more satisfied, than the non-union NJI/EJM? Paid as well? QOL same or better? The only difference I see between this leadership and the last is higher hopes. If those hopes materialize than you will have the right to say "I told you so". To be fair I guess we'll have to give it another year. Two... Three? If this union leadership doesn't come through are you going to be willing to start seeing the union as part of the problem?

New Leadership: I'm Happier with their leadership. Compared to NJI QOL we don't measure up. Pay compared to NJI is not as well. You know this.

If higher hopes is the only thing you see, I would say step and look again. This pilot group has rallied behind the new MEC in large part because we see results and have been included in the process.

I will never gloat and say "I told you so". I will just be relieved that it worked and the process is over.

Since this is my first union, I will reserve judgement till I've been through a whole negotiating cycle.

 

[AA717driver]

Hey Junior, you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, junior, I'd say bertengineer has a pretty good grip.TC

 

[Live4flyng]

No, junior, I'd say bertengineer has a pretty good grip.TC

Really? So you think NJA pilots are a sorry bunch of thiefs and thugs? How can NJA pilots possibly "intimidate" the pilots at NJA into "towing the union line"? It is a condition of pilot employment at NJA.

Your hardon for NJA pilots is getting a little old TC.

 

[AA717driver]

Live4flying--The only "hardon" I have is for people being condescending to others. Just because someone has less time than you, their opinion still matters.

I've made it clear which things I take issue with in this discussion. I've also made it clear that I wholeheartedly support NJA getting a decent contract.TC

 

[Live4flyng]

Live4flying--The only "hardon" I have is for people being condescending to others. Just because someone has less time than you, their opinion still matters.

I've made it clear which things I take issue with in this discussion. I've also made it clear that I wholeheartedly support NJA getting a decent contract.TC

And I made it perfectly clear he had no idea what he was talking about when he named NJA pilots thiefs, thugs etc. You had to chime in and agree with him. I guess you should have a hardon for your own condescending attitude. Are you sure you "wholeheartedly" support NJA pilots? It is difficult for me to deduce that from your comments.

 

[Schrode]

You certainly have my support for a raise. There is a proposal on the table for a 23%-40% increase in pay - I support you voting yes and get this thing over with.

Have you seen this proposal? All the details? What is the National average cost of living increased since 1998 (when our last contract was ratified)? This proposal you speak so highly of is greatly flawed in many aspects - don't even think you as a dispatcher (and future management) would agree to the terms outlined there - and you get to go home to your family every night and live in a location where the cost of living is much cheaper than where I live. Cost of a home here has increased 150% since the last contract - rents are sure to follow soon. So for me, the proposal falls very short. Go tell the Management at NetJets I (not the Union MEC) said, "TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!"

 

[ultrarunner]

Have you seen this proposal? All the details? What is the National average cost of living increased since 1998 (when our last contract was ratified)? This proposal you speak so highly of is greatly flawed in many aspects - don't even think you as a dispatcher (and future management) would agree to the terms outlined there - and you get to go home to your family every night and live in a location where the cost of living is much cheaper than where I live. Cost of a home here has increased 150% since the last contract - rents are sure to follow soon. So for me, the proposal falls very short. Go tell the Management at NetJets I (not the Union MEC) said, "TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE!"

Hey Schrode, I'd be careful if you're bargaining for CPI/COLA increases. I'm not going to do your homework for you, but quickly, COLA is tied to the CPI, and if you visit the CPI website, you will see that since 1998 CPI has averaged about 1.45%. The latest increase was 2.7.

Read up a bit, and you'll be quite surprised.

 

[Schrode]

Thanks - I will read up. Just I wish we did have an annual COLA increase written into the last contract - if we did, my pay would have been 20% higher than it is right now. I am not saying I want to tie my contract to the Cost of Living increase - just that this is "ground zero" for where my increase for the future contract should be based. My point is that the proposal NetJets offered the MEC (that some think is so great) didn't even cover the cost of living increase since the last contract. Are some so blind that they cannot see simple numbers like this? How does a new contract that provides less quality of life to me than the one offered in 1998 to those pilots have any merit what-so-ever?

 

[SeaSpray]

Hey Junior, you have no idea what you are talking about.

It seems to me bertengineer has a pretty good handle on the situation. Most everybody wants you guys to get a competitive wage, but nobody wants you to do it on the backs of other pilots. Threatening to put Part 135 Charter pilots on a scab list for doing their job is pretty scummy behavior. They'd be scabs if they crossed your picket line to fly QS tails, short of that, leave them alone. The abject jealousy some of you show when criticizing NJI is pretty contemptible. It just seems to eat you guys up that NJI, without a union, was able to negotiate a better deal than you and the Teamsters could. You should leave them alone as well to enjoy the pay and QOL they worked hard to earn rather than try to steal what you couldn't earn for yourself through some kind of legal shenanigans.

 

[Live4flyng]

It seems to me bertengineer has a pretty good handle on the situation. Most everybody wants you guys to get a competitive wage, but nobody wants you to do it on the backs of other pilots. Threatening to put Part 135 Charter pilots on a scab list for doing their job is pretty scummy behavior. They'd be scabs if they crossed your picket line to fly QS tails, short of that, leave them alone. The abject jealousy some of you show when criticizing NJI is pretty contemptible. It just seems to eat you guys up that NJI, without a union, was able to negotiate a better deal than you and the Teamsters could. You should leave them alone as well to enjoy the pay and QOL they worked hard to earn rather than try to steal what you couldn't earn for yourself through some kind of legal shenanigans.

It's obvious you aren't clear on the history of EJA/NJA and the formation of EJI/NJI either. Don't believe everything you read on this website Mr.Spray. Could you please explain what NJA pilots are trying to "steal"? I'm curious about the "shenanigans" too.

 

[zman300]

Union bitterness is #@$! disgusting!

Ever notice just about every post dealing with NETJETS on this forum gets hijacked by union whiners? How the hell did this thread go from someone posting NJI interview information to all this re-hashed union crap?! Oh yeah: Starman saying a merged pilot group should be a consideration in working for NJI. STUPID reason; it's called hijacking a thread. STUPID! So what is someone to do? Go for a job at NJA with the rest of the miserable jackasses, getting their "miserable pay and benefits," so they can have seniority over NJI pilots IF and when the lists merge?! Freaking moronic. Almost three times the starting salary in exchange for the DREAM of a higher line number...brilliant.

I could post that it was a sunny day in Columbus, OH today (was it?), and I guaran-freaking-tee you it'll turn into a union rant.
If you want to whine about your union situation, start a new thread please! Some suggestions:

"More NJA union rants"
"NJA pilots stilled pissed off and here's why:"
"When NJA pilots dream..."

This forum really deserves better administrative policing.

 

[Diesel]

wow must be your first time learning how a internet forum works.

Go ahead and blame the union though if it makes you feel better.

From one non-miserable jackass to a drunk loser. Enjoy the hangover

 

[zman300]

wow must be your first time learning how a internet forum works.

Go ahead and blame the union though if it makes you feel better.

From one non-miserable jackass to a drunk loser. Enjoy the hangover

Nobody's blaming the union, bud. But your agenda doesn't give you the right to cheapen someone else's post on a forum. Look back through some of the Netjets-related threads here and you'll see they all end up the same. It's pathetic.

I know exactly how "an" internet forum works. My point, to be precise, is that some of you folks apparently do not.

Drunk loser? Bet you wish you were where I am; in fact, I know you do 'cause you post about it all over this forum. Geez.

 

[Starman]

zman,

A guy thinking about appyling at NJI SHOULD know about the potential of being added to an existing pilot group that numbers over 2100. If i were that guy, I'd want to know. It's not hijacking a thread - it's providing him information that he really needs to know prior to accepting a job.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

How can NJA pilots possibly "intimidate" the pilots at NJA into "towing the union line"? It is a condition of pilot employment at NJA.

I voted for the 13% raise and the $25,000 signing bonus. Trust me, I can feel the heat.

 

[zman300]

zman,

A guy thinking about appyling at NJI SHOULD know about the potential of being added to an existing pilot group that numbers over 2100. If i were that guy, I'd want to know. It's not hijacking a thread - it's providing him information that he really needs to know prior to accepting a job.

Why should he care?! If he got hired at NJA today, wouldn't he STILL have 2000+ pilots ahead of him? So that should keep him from accepting a job at NJI with a $70k+ starting salary in the meantime? The POSSIBILITY of a merger is irrelevant to accepting a good position NOW. And like I said, his situation doesn't change; he still has 2000+ pilots over him.

The info you provided is tentative at best and is splattered all over this forum; the original post was merely providing NJI interview information for those who might be interested, and many are. So yes, it is hijacking a thread because it provided the spring-board for the 15+ pages that followed, none of which had anything to do with NJI interviews. THAT is hijacking.

 

[GEXDriver]

zman,

A guy thinking about appyling at NJI SHOULD know about the potential of being added to an existing pilot group that numbers over 2100. If i were that guy, I'd want to know. It's not hijacking a thread - it's providing him information that he really needs to know prior to accepting a job.

Give it a break, Starman. You're as wrong now as you were in November '04 when you said the single carrier suit to force the NJI pilots into the Teamsters would be filed January 5, 2005. It didn't happen then and it will never happen. You signed the scope clause that exempted NJI from your union, never mind that they are a completely separate company chartered in a right to work state. I don't know why you hate the NJI pilots so badly, they don't even think about you...

You guys would get a lot more support if you weren't so nasty about the way that you try to force other pilots down rather than trying to help each other up.

 

[Muddauber]

And I made it perfectly clear he had no idea what he was talking about when he named NJA pilots thiefs, thugs etc.

Yeah, he knows what he's talking about. What you guys are trying to steal are the Gulfstreams. As one "union" guy to another, it's pretty apparent that what you guys are trying to pull is a good old fashioned seat grab gussied up with a bunch of high fallutin words about fairness.

Muddy

 

[AA717driver]

Thanks, Muddy. And thanks for all those rides from IND to STL! TC

 

[SeaSpray]

It's obvious you aren't clear on the history of EJA/NJA and the formation of EJI/NJI either. Don't believe everything you read on this website Mr.Spray. Could you please explain what NJA pilots are trying to "steal"? I'm curious about the "shenanigans" too.

I'm pretty clear on the history of EJI/EJA. From what I gather from the senior guys at NJI, what GVFlyer has posted here is right on. You only know what you've been told, because you haven't been around long enough to know the "real" EJI history.

You know as well as I do that what you are trying to steal are the Gulfstreams. If you want to fly the "G's" why don't you just apply at NJI? Oh, that's right, you're not qualified to go to work for them - so the only way that you can get into a Gulfstream is throught the courts. Nice. The legal term for the judicial shenanigans you are attempting is called to "usufrucht" - to legally take the property and profits of another.