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Imac,

Very good, I appreciate the reminder.

I'd be curious what the ratios are currently with our scheduling. I'm sure that more than 50% are on the 7&7. I'd guess 20% are on the 18 day.

Isn't the 18 day schedule still the schedule people can be forced onto if they cannot hold a 7&7 line and if they don't choose the 15 day? I haven't heard of anyone thus far being forced onto the 18 day, maybe a few.

Time to break out the CBA....
 
Imac,

Very good, I appreciate the reminder.

I'd be curious what the ratios are currently with our scheduling. I'm sure that more than 50% are on the 7&7. I'd guess 20% are on the 18 day.

Isn't the 18 day schedule still the schedule people can be forced onto if they cannot hold a 7&7 line and if they don't choose the 15 day? I haven't heard of anyone thus far being forced onto the 18 day, maybe a few.

Time to break out the CBA....

Ya got it backwards. The company may junior man people to the 15 day if they choose. To my knowledge I don't think that has happened. The 15 day is a senior schedule.
 
Ya got it backwards. The company may junior man people to the 15 day if they choose. To my knowledge I don't think that has happened. The 15 day is a senior schedule.

Each bid period there have been small numbers of pilots junior-assigned the 15-day schedule. I want to say most bid periods that number is in the single-digits. The company has had the ability to junior-assign far more but has elected not to (in some cases, the company has elected to junior-assign less than 10% of those eligible).

SDPs can be junior-assigned the 18-day schedule, but I do not know if that has happened yet. If it has, the numbers again would be very small.
 
Gruman Fan said:
I know one the GPAC guys personally and as I said before, he had all the best intentions

Actually I was only days away from a PayPal account and robbing you b*stards for all your worth.

My 401K took a hit, I needed a backup plan.

;)
 
All,

Once again the landscape has changed, and any aura of invincibility will be dissolved one way or another. The financial crisis is challenging every aspect of the global and US economy, aviation industry, and private aviation itself. Enterprise must adjust or fail. Anyone who believes the financial crisis we encountered in 4Q 2008 which will persist through 2009 is a speed bump, is naïve at best. The economy pre-2009 is not the economy many pilots will see for the remainder of their careers; hence the landscape has changed. The “monopoly money” (financial leveraging) and climbing asset values that were fueling much of the global and US economies for nearly two decades (with a few hiccups) is officially a thing of the past. Quite simply, balance sheets and asset values have been destroyed and a lot of the discretionary/disposable high level incomes/cash flows have evaporated.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand private aviation is under attack; its many operations, services, suppliers, and manufactures are being hard hit because its purchasers and users are looked at as political/populist red meat. Moreover, for those that still have the resources - extravagance and opulence are officially in bad taste. In many ways it’s unfortunate because for those who know, the private aviation industry is as American as any industry, and tens of thousands of highly sought after and skilled jobs are being destroyed. The industry has suffered a 30-40% reduction in flight demand. Only the strongest will survive this steep and prolonged downturn. Speaking directly, maintaining the status quo is assured failure for every operator, service provider, supplier, and manufacture. It will require sustained cash flows (brand loyalty), cost containment initiatives, innovative business practices, and workforce cohesion to endure what's ahead. We can only hope the end of the beginning is near - it's certainly far from the beginning of the end.

The Integration is far more than NJA/NJI/NJLA crew integration – it’s about Operational Excellence and ensuring a safe, lean, and viable business model/plan that will justify continued support and investment from any ownership. Now more than ever before business ownership across the board/industry are asking three simple questions: (1) Do we have the cash reserves to continue to invest (assuming they have the money to invest) in this (choose any business) enterprise with ANY REALISTIC CHANCE of a future ROI? (2) Does the business have the cash flows (fixed/variable) vs costs (fixed/variable) to endure this prolonged downturn, even if ownership rights down the assets and cleans up the balance sheet? (3) Will there be a market and what’s the “right size” of the business for the future market/market share? 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006?

With all due respect, if anyone believes NetJets (or any other company for that matter) has an ounce of fat to spare for too long – they are disconnected from the brutal realities. Every company is fighting to retain existing jobs (NetJets has done exceptionally well), forget about new job creation – for now. While the market is shrinking, what’s important is the gain in existing/available market share. It's more competitive (pricing and service) than ever. In essence gaining in market share as the market shrinks. This requires business adjustments and a cohesive, dedicated, and enthusiastic/optimistic workforce. Economy of scale has pros and cons; the purchasing power can be significant. But, to change course is much more than turning an aircraft carrier, it’s like turning a fleet. We have many “ships” at NetJets, but with challenges come opportunities.

Integration is about more than crew integration, it’s about Operational Excellence for the future; organizational best practices, modern change process, agility, efficiency, creating operating leverage, and professional courtesy. The sooner we modernize and streamline the easier it will be to turn the fleet. This was not necessarily the plan going into 2008 or 2009, but we are presented with this difficult and necessary opportunity exiting 2009. The sooner the comprehensive plan is developed and communicated, and embraced which is the focus for the 2009, the sooner it will generate the results everyone seeks.

An unfortunately reality, nonetheless our reality; look beyond the past and focus on the future. A lot of great people are investing themselves into identifying all the opportunities and risk. They will engage the organization (bottom up) to ensure as we evolve over the next few years it's approached from the customer/crew interface backwards.

As for 2005 bargaining, LMRP, IBB, Integration – simply fortuitous… Now it's what's done with all the progress that really counts.

Respectfully,
 
wow FI has officially become the soundboard for management.

Respectfully,

PS Look for next weeks message on lowering expectations for the future.

All,

Once again the landscape has changed, and any aura of invincibility will be dissolved one way or another. The financial crisis is challenging every aspect of the global and US economy, aviation industry, and private aviation itself. Enterprise must adjust or fail. Anyone who believes the financial crisis we encountered in 4Q 2008 which will persist through 2009 is a speed bump, is naïve at best. The economy pre-2009 is not the economy many pilots will see for the remainder of their careers; hence the landscape has changed. The “monopoly money” (financial leveraging) and climbing asset values that were fueling much of the global and US economies for nearly two decades (with a few hiccups) is officially a thing of the past. Quite simply, balance sheets and asset values have been destroyed and a lot of the discretionary/disposable high level incomes/cash flows have evaporated.

It doesn’t take a genius to understand private aviation is under attack; its many operations, services, suppliers, and manufactures are being hard hit because its purchasers and users are looked at as political/populist red meat. Moreover, for those that still have the resources - extravagance and opulence are officially in bad taste. In many ways it’s unfortunate because for those who know, the private aviation industry is as American as any industry, and tens of thousands of highly sought after and skilled jobs are being destroyed. The industry has suffered a 30-40% reduction in flight demand. Only the strongest will survive this steep and prolonged downturn. Speaking directly, maintaining the status quo is assured failure for every operator, service provider, supplier, and manufacture. It will require sustained cash flows (brand loyalty), cost containment initiatives, innovative business practices, and workforce cohesion to endure what's ahead. We can only hope the end of the beginning is near - it's certainly far from the beginning of the end.

The Integration is far more than NJA/NJI/NJLA crew integration – it’s about Operational Excellence and ensuring a safe, lean, and viable business model/plan that will justify continued support and investment from any ownership. Now more than ever before business ownership across the board/industry are asking three simple questions: (1) Do we have the cash reserves to continue to invest (assuming they have the money to invest) in this (choose any business) enterprise with ANY REALISTIC CHANCE of a future ROI? (2) Does the business have the cash flows (fixed/variable) vs costs (fixed/variable) to endure this prolonged downturn, even if ownership rights down the assets and cleans up the balance sheet? (3) Will there be a market and what’s the “right size” of the business for the future market/market share? 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006?

With all due respect, if anyone believes NetJets (or any other company for that matter) has an ounce of fat to spare for too long – they are disconnected from the brutal realities. Every company is fighting to retain existing jobs (NetJets has done exceptionally well), forget about new job creation – for now. While the market is shrinking, what’s important is the gain in existing/available market share. It's more competitive (pricing and service) than ever. In essence gaining in market share as the market shrinks. This requires business adjustments and a cohesive, dedicated, and enthusiastic/optimistic workforce. Economy of scale has pros and cons; the purchasing power can be significant. But, to change course is much more than turning an aircraft carrier, it’s like turning a fleet. We have many “ships” at NetJets, but with challenges come opportunities.

Integration is about more than crew integration, it’s about Operational Excellence for the future; organizational best practices, modern change process, agility, efficiency, creating operating leverage, and professional courtesy. The sooner we modernize and streamline the easier it will be to turn the fleet. This was not necessarily the plan going into 2008 or 2009, but we are presented with this difficult and necessary opportunity exiting 2009. The sooner the comprehensive plan is developed and communicated, and embraced which is the focus for the 2009, the sooner it will generate the results everyone seeks.

An unfortunately reality, nonetheless our reality; look beyond the past and focus on the future. A lot of great people are investing themselves into identifying all the opportunities and risk. They will engage the organization (bottom up) to ensure as we evolve over the next few years it's approached from the customer/crew interface backwards.

As for 2005 bargaining, LMRP, IBB, Integration – simply fortuitous… Now it's what's done with all the progress that really counts.

Respectfully,
 
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I believe that's called reality, Diesel. It is what both management and the union must deal with and the failure of either party to grasp this means the eventual failure of both.
 
I believe it called furthering your own agenda on a anonymous messageboard for whatever reason.
 
As usual, lots of words with little said. Some things never change, except the master we serve.

It is what it is.
 
These are the people who want constructive input into the process/direction ... point made.

That was easy. We'll be certain constructive problem solving - solution based thinkers - are engaged.

They are who they are... the rest of us focus on the people, business, and progress. Always have and always will.

.
 
These are the people who want constructive input into the process/direction ... point made.

That was easy. We'll be certain constructive problem solving - solution based thinkers - are engaged.

They are who they are... the rest of us focus on the people, business, and progress. Always have and always will.

Darn this simple country boy from central jersey just doesn't understand all this talking in generalities.



Where did that decoder ring go............


flylow flylow have you seen the decoder ring?
 
People asked about the intergration process. I high level snap shot was provided; reality - crawl, walk, run.

Personal baggage; too Desperate Housewives. Enjoy.

.
 
I high level snap shot was provided; reality - crawl, walk, run.

A high level snap shot from the managment side. Not the side of the pilots either NJI or NJA.

Respectfully,
Big D
 
A high level snap shot from the managment side. Not the side of the pilots either NJI or NJA.

Respectfully,
Big D

Definitely not from the side of the NJA pilots he screwed over with this integration language. Or his self serving LOAs no one new about.
 
hey do-82 i hear you price is dinner tomorrow night.

see you then, we're going for sushi. So you can't order in italian.

:)
 
Gents,

I've been around long enough to know who you speak for/with; we all know you certainly don't speak for the overwhelming majority of exceptional NJA, NJI, or NJLA pilots I've either had the honor of representing and/or the pleasure of working for/with. Feel free to continue to pretend, no harm in that here. That said, everyone understands it's "all hat, no cattle" as they say in Texas.

Please continue with all your historical [pilot] contributions, [labor and CBA] omnipotence, and [message board] sophistication. Pardon the silence as we continue to read/watch in awe...

Too many know too much about who's doing what and why in their personal and professional lives - some can't even run a used car lot, nonetheless they are exceptional pilots. Good enough, always give credit where credit is due - they're exceptional pilots. But, the message board personalities don't do wonders for the lives of the thousands of pilots and families that depend on much more than message board chatter for results.

I know for a fact the righteous indignation expressed here is rarely backed up by [some of] those expressing it here. Nonetheless, they put on a good show; talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I've lived it - they love their whipped mules - but they do little, but talk/whip.

Such is life and it won't change anytime soon - it is, what it is...

Best Regards, :beer:
 
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So why not just spit it out Cast?

Another 5 paragraphs... nothing said but metaphors, one-liners and maybe some anagrams???

"Been there, done that... went to management."
 
I high level snap shot was provided; reality - crawl, walk, run.



.


Crawl = Get hired at NetJets.

Walk = Get elected to lead the pilot group as a Union President.

Run = Proclaim the "labor movement dead", leave the pilot group behind and join NetJets as a Vice President.

Good for you Sir.

Look it up; AVARICE.
 
Gents,

I've been around long enough to know who you speak for/with; we all know you certainly don't speak for the overwhelming majority of exceptional NJA, NJI, or NJLA pilots I've either had the honor of representing and/or the pleasure of working for/with.Actually, you might be surprised. A lot of us are waking up to the BS. Writing in generalities, metaphors, and at a "higher level" that no one can quite understand is usually a sign of someone who is trying to hide something. Feel free to continue to pretend, no harm in that here. That said, everyone understands it's "all hat, no cattle" as they say in Texas.Exactly my point. What the heck does that mean? Hey, I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's a**, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it.

Please continue with all your historical [pilot] contributions, [labor and CBA] omnipotence, and [message board] sophistication. Pardon the silence as we continue to read/watch in awe...

Too many know too much about who's doing what and why in their personal and professional lives - some can't even run a used car lot, nonetheless they are exceptional pilots.Once again, what? Do you mean we know too much about the people who are making the decisions that affect everyone's life? Are you suggesting that we just butt out, and let those who know best for us make decisions without any input from the masses at all? Boy, why does that rhetoric sound familiar (and scary)? Good enough, always give credit where credit is due - they're exceptional pilots. But, the message board personalities don't do wonders for the lives of the thousands of pilots and families that depend on much more than message board chatter for results.Revisionist thinking. Message board chatter surely DOES NOT accomplish EVERYTHING, but I believe I can come up with DOZENS of examples where it has accomplished a great deal for the pilots and families. I guess we've already forgotten the whole captain bypass pay issue? How did the word (mostly) get around about flying the pledge? None of our pilots in need have benefitted from someone starting a thread asking for donations? Shall I go on? in a way, you've done us a huge favor by going to management, because now have a chance to digest what you say, and it appears to be what it always has been- talking in circles, using metaphors very few understand, and saying a whole lotta nothing. If FLYLOW hadn't come off as so abrasive, a lot more people may have been able to see through a lot of the crap.

I know for a fact the righteous indignation expressed here is rarely backed up by [some of] those expressing it here. Nonetheless, they put on a good show; talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I've lived it - they love their whipped mules - but they do little, but talk/whip.

Such is life and it won't change anytime soon - it is, what it is..."It is what it is". Now THERE'S a circular statement that has come to represent all that you say: not much. Hey Cast, far be it for me to minimize all that you did for us. No one, here or anywhere else, can change that. My paychecks are testament to that. But I have come to realize that there's a lot that was purposely left vague, and obfuscated by confusing and mysterious posts, for some as-yet-to-be-revealed agenda. Sound paranoid? Maybe. Too many LOA's to 'fix' things. Too much that was obviously not transparent to the membership, all the while hearing transparency being preached as your watchword. I understand a person doing what's best for themselves, so if going to management was best for you and your family, no hard feelings about that. But was the move transparent? Hardly. Does it appear that it was set up well ahead of time all the while you telling us you weren't sure what was coming next? Yep. How about your buddy who went with you? Transparent? It seems to have taken even the E-board (at the time) by surprise. You would have us remember only the good that was accomplished, and sweep everything else under the rug. Sadly, it's not going to happen. A lot more folks than you know are figuring it out. A little late maybe. But at least your words now carry less weight with the membership than they used to. Ah well, it is what it is.:rolleyes:

Best Regards, :beer:

And life goes on......
 
I have no doubt RTS knows of your arrogance, a trait not uncommon for effective leaders. It is notable that ineffective leaders share that trait as well. Just look at the idiots begging congress for cash due to their ineptness.

I am curious, though. Is the man aware of this display on a public forum? Not something those who report to the Office of the Chairman would do, I would think.
 
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CoT posted...

But, the message board personalities don't do wonders for the lives of the thousands of pilots and families that depend on much more than message board chatter for results.

I seem to remember this a tad different...
This forum was canvased by us little people, helping to "spread" the gospel.

Don't believe me though. Go find FamGuy, NjaDispatcher and the other two moles that monitored this board 24/7 and ask them if we "didn't do wonders".

CAUTION CAUTION...management guys starting to post on FI...

Must be something coming down the pike?
 
Gruman Fan said:
I highly doubt RTS would approve the actions of his executives acting in this manner.

And how about your actions of posting this individuals name on a public message board?

As much as I have differences with CofT and sympathize with the "I" side, that's just bad form.

Notice I didn't quote the name - gives you a chance to remove it.
 
Wow. This was a short honeymoon. A little longer than Obummer, perhaps, but short nonetheless.

And, BTW, I don't think I've ever seen most of these communications.
 
Funny to see and not unexpected. It would be nice to see these gents offer any solutions. Won't happen - same old, same old.

I stay wired for stereo, always have. Sadly, you know better - but you are allowed to pretend.
 

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