NetJets Integration

[jppt2000]

Your right about that, I agree. Thats why I got involved with the union in the 1st place back in my former life.



OK Bill,

Since the stars have aligned, the universe is upside down and we are using F.I. for this discussion (which goes beyond comprehension).

Answer this.... With a simple "YES" or "NO" please.

Is it your opinion that NJI LINE pilots should have an advocate from within their ranks that is not hand selected by anyone from management but comes from within, to work with you/NJASAP/Okatie concerning the implementation of the LOA?

(Bonus Question)

If you do feel NJI pilots should have someone representing their interests in these discussions, are you willing to make sure that happens? Will you guarantee this person unfettered access to all meetings and people working on the integration?



Captain William Vaughan (I know you, now you know me)
GIV

Wolfpack,
More questions if you don't mind sharing

Willam,

You never answered my question about noticing if there was an issue between the NJI/NJA pilots when you first came to NJI.

It's amazing to me, someone with all of your union experience would be oblivious to the NJI NJA issue.

Were you told by your leadership that integration would never happen?

Were you never aware that the NJI pilot group was asked on more than one occasion for integration?

What unionized carrier did you fly for before coming to NJI?

What was it like flying for and representing pilots in a union leadership position, at a unionized carrier, then leaving for non-union carrier?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Are you writing my autobiography for me or something? Geez dude, you sound a little creepy.


Were you told by your leadership that integration would never happen?

Yes, that is correct. Every pilot at NJI heard their superiors say more than once, "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN".

Were you never aware that the NJI pilot group was asked on more than one occasion for integration?

No, I have no knowledge of what the union did or didn't do prior to the CBA agreement in '05.

What unionized carrier did you fly for before coming to NJI?

ACA, MDW, CMR

What was it like flying for and representing pilots in a union leadership position, at a unionized carrier, then leaving for non-union carrier?

A blessing like I never could imagine. NJI (NetJets) has been very good to me and my family. I have nothing but respect for this business model and Mr. Santulli. Are there things I dont like? Sure, show me a perfect place... doesn't exist. But NetJets is about as close as you can get to having the best of both worlds (insert Hanna Montana video)...


AND....

Im a scorpio, like popcorn, long walks on the beach, Barry Manilow, and cuddling on the coach with my wife and our 4 poodles and 3 cats.

 

[CA1900]

Im a scorpio, like popcorn, long walks on the beach, Barry Manilow, and cuddling on the coach with my wife and our 4 poodles and 3 cats.

Haha.... :laugh:

 

[jppt2000]

Are you writing my autobiography for me or something? Geez dude, you sound a little creepy.


Were you told by your leadership that integration would never happen?

Yes, that is correct. Every pilot at NJI heard their superiors say more than once, "YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN".

Were you never aware that the NJI pilot group was asked on more than one occasion for integration?

No, I have no knowledge of what the union did or didn't do prior to the CBA agreement in '05.

What unionized carrier did you fly for before coming to NJI?

ACA, MDW, CMR

What was it like flying for and representing pilots in a union leadership position, at a unionized carrier, then leaving for non-union carrier?

A blessing like I never could imagine. NJI (NetJets) has been very good to me and my family. I have nothing but respect for this business model and Mr. Santulli. Are there things I dont like? Sure, show me a perfect place... doesn't exist. But NetJets is about as close as you can get to having the best of both worlds (insert Hanna Montana video)...


AND....

Im a scorpio, like popcorn, long walks on the beach, Barry Manilow, and cuddling on the coach with my wife and our 4 poodles and 3 cats.

Creepy?

Well allow me to retort (as Julius in Pulp Fiction said).

Its pretty obvious you're trying to both vilify and denigrate Cast of Thousand's and many, many, other countless volunteers' work by offering half truth's and self-serving suggestions and threats.
Although I have strongly disagreed with some of Cast's philosophies, he and his cast of thousands, together, have just about completed a miracle. Proving me wrong many times.
Your frustration and greed is thinly disguised with your concern for having a voice in the integration.

You are a fool to think you can convince anyone that you were never made aware of the NJI/NJA issue when you first came here or soon afterward.

The smell from the integration issue had been percolating like an open sewer for years.
Folks at NJA were told by probably some of the same folks that fed you the non-integration line, "just wait, you will fly G-whiz's too" over a decade ago.

Remember Mr. Vaughn, you allowed yourself to get near the metaphorical sewer (integration issue) and now a little of the stink has splashed on you.
Bleach, oxyclean, acid will not get it off of you.
Neither will attacking folks tasked with trying to move forward with improving our ALL of our lives.
Too Bad Bill Vaughn, WE ALL NEED TO MOVE ON.

Shame on you for trying to instill FUD into the integration LOA.
Thank you BW for correcting both Bill and I on some issues.
You admit you had no idea that the NJI folks were approached by the union many times earlier.
I don't believe you.
Remind me again, you were union leadership?

You, Bill Vaughn in my opinion, exhibit a textbook "what's in it for me", "know it all" attitude.

I hope to see you run for a NJASAP union position, your reputation will precede you.

You might want to clean up your act though, our elected leaders are razor sharp, professional and tenacious.
Judging by your posts on this messageboard you have a long long long way to go.

Lastly, I have a few more questions:

Do you like Pina Coladas?
Getting Caught in the rain?
Are you into Yoga? Do you have half a brain?
I'll skip the next few questions
Write to me and we'll escape imp:

 

[Diesel]

sorry jppt you couldn't be more wrong. As a gear puller switch bitch for Billy him and I have many conversations about what is going on. I've also talked to as many pilots that you can imagine and all have the same line. "there is no way NJA pilots would or will come over here". It had been like that since 86 or so, so why wouldn't it continue.

He isn't, you're anger is misplaced, and BO made his best shot at spreading FUD and got shot down. Maybe a guy with a limb and a trunk will help spread the word of BO some more but I have a feeling even he is getting tired of the FUD message.

Sorry know it all and whats in it for me describes me not Bill.

Way off base but so is most the preconceptions of the NJA and NJI pilots.

 

[jppt2000]

sorry jppt you couldn't be more wrong. As a gear puller switch bitch for Billy him and I have many conversations about what is going on. I've also talked to as many pilots that you can imagine and all have the same line. "there is no way NJA pilots would or will come over here". It had been like that since 86 or so, so why wouldn't it continue.

He isn't, you're anger is misplaced, and BO made his best shot at spreading FUD and got shot down. Maybe a guy with a limb and a trunk will help spread the word of BO some more but I have a feeling even he is getting tired of the FUD message.

Sorry know it all and whats in it for me describes me not Bill.

Way off base but so is most the preconceptions of the NJA and NJI pilots.

Diesel, I'm not angry.
Just very cynical.
I flew many tours with the guy who always followed BO around with a fresh roll of toilet paper.
He was the biggest pilot-union advocate/ management-critic you could of imagined.
I held the exact opinion of this VP you now have of Wolfpack.
Have you read Wolfpack's posts from years past?
I really loved the one about how he (a Gulfstream pilot with two type ratings) would be looking for a job if integration was announced.
I don't believe for a second he didn't know 2000+ pilots at NJA were not going to take issue with NJI.
What kind of a ex-union leader would not have the slightest interest in what was going on with NJA?
What kind of a ex-union leader wouldn't question what was in the koolaide being served by management.
Even with the past LOA allegations that have been made of our two "shepherds", they did accomplish what was asked of them and much more.
They stood up and delivered.
Those are the facts.
IMHO we need to move on with the future.
Bill O was correct about the sins of our fathers (284), and we all have to take a bite out of the sandwich, including yourself.

 

[CastofThousands]

sorry jppt you couldn't be more wrong. As a gear puller switch bitch for Billy him and I have many conversations about what is going on. I've also talked to as many pilots that you can imagine and all have the same line. "there is no way NJA pilots would or will come over here". It had been like that since 86 or so, so why wouldn't it continue.

He isn't, you're anger is misplaced, and BO made his best shot at spreading FUD and got shot down. Maybe a guy with a limb and a trunk will help spread the word of BO some more but I have a feeling even he is getting tired of the FUD message.

Sorry know it all and whats in it for me describes me not Bill.

Way off base but so is most the preconceptions of the NJA and NJI pilots.

Diesel (Dunner),

Shot down? Are you serious. Hundreds of emails, dozens of FI PM's, and a lot of phone calls vs a couple of what appears to be teenage infatuation style "why did you dump me" FI therapy session posts? All good here, more than 3,500 pilots at NJ-US and this far from represents the professional pilots I know - very well.

Please understand, there are people one can be proud to upset. It is said, "if you're not upsetting [some] people, it's most likely because you're doing nothing." A solid group of NetJets pilots got a lot done in less than five years and none of us regret some are upset. To me what I see here is simply affirmation the [pilot] mainstream has clearly disregarded you and others.

Keep in mind more than 94% of NetJets pilot are happy with their NetJets CBA and career... Numbers that exceed every air carrier in the US, Europe, and Asia. Numbers that have been consistent and climb slightly over the past four years. That didn't happen without upsetting people. That's life.

So when we have an NJA to NJI pilot who wanted to separate from (leave) their union, if NJI would treat them like the non-union NJI pilots and upgrade them to Captain out of seniority lecturing me and others... What???? Or, a previous union [leader] pilot talking about how great it is to be a non-union pilot... What???? Preaching ... is truly laughable.

Like I said, the [FI] righteous aren't so righteous. And, it's fun for some to pretend on FI. I will continue to do what I have done over the past five years with the same goals and principle - you can just keep on talk'n.

If you can't grasp reality - you're set for failure. You clearly don't know the difference between FUD and reality. Good news ... At least 3,300 of the 3,500 NetJets pilot are waiting for you to catch up.

Enjoy,

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[gunfyter]

Word is a 10% pay increase for the 7&7 schedule likely will entice 18 day folks to switch schedules.

That solves the man-day issue.

 

[fischman]

Diesel (Dunner),

Shot down? Are you serious. Hundreds of emails, dozens of FI PM's, and a lot of phone calls vs a couple of what appears to be teenage infatuation style "why did you dump me" FI therapy session posts? All good here, more than 3,500 pilots at NJ-US and this far from represents the professional pilots I know - very well.

Please understand, there are people one can be proud to upset. It is said, "if you're not upsetting [some] people, it's most likely because you're doing nothing." A solid group of NetJets pilots got a lot done in less than five years and none of us regret some are upset. To me what I see here is simply affirmation the [pilot] mainstream has clearly disregarded you and others.

Keep in mind more than 94% of NetJets pilot are happy with their NetJets CBA and career... Numbers that exceed every air carrier in the US, Europe, and Asia. Numbers that have been consistent and climb slightly over the past four years. That didn't happen without upsetting people. That's life.

So when we have an NJA to NJI pilot who wanted to separate from (leave) their union, if NJI would treat them like the non-union NJI pilots and upgrade them to Captain out of seniority lecturing me and others... What???? Or, a previous union [leader] pilot talking about how great it is to be a non-union pilot... What???? Preaching ... is truly laughable.

Like I said, the [FI] righteous aren't so righteous. And, it's fun for some to pretend on FI. I will continue to do what I have done over the past five years with the same goals and principle - you can just keep on talk'n.

If you can't grasp reality - you're set for failure. You clearly don't know the difference between FUD and reality. Good news ... At least 3,300 of the 3,500 NetJets pilot are waiting for you to catch up.

Enjoy,

.

I didn't know we were throwing names around on FI.com Mr. Olsen?

I think Diesel might be premature on a shoot down, but unfortunately, I see your posts now as nothing more than FUD spinning. BTW, that is what is being said on certain private boards I frequent as well. I suggest rethinking what and how you make things public.

With respects,

Fischer

 

[CastofThousands]

If by Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream---and not make dreams your master;
If you can think---and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same:.
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build'em up with worn-out tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings,
And never breathe a word about your loss:
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings---nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much:
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And---which is more---you'll be a Man, my son!


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