Netjets Gulfstreams & Globals - Coexisting?

[OPECJet]

Given the amount of NJA types with heavy / international experience, I'm calling partial BS. "Partial" because many of those guys aren't senior enough to "crossover" to the G. The guys that are going, maybe shouldn't. Call it a byproduct of the seniority system and NJA having been a crappy place to work pre-2005.

In the meantime, the elitism coming from SOME former NJI types is ridiculous. We all work for the same company (some of you do anyway). Get over yourselves and enjoy your contract and representation we paid for. Sounds like you might need it sooner rather than later given the current management "team".

 

[T-1GUY]

Wow, as a super junior guy and a beechjet driver, I think your assumptions are flawed. I was a heavy driver flying internationally back in the early nineties. I think I would do just fine as a G FO. Hell, I might even teach the Captain a thing or two...

 

[jppt2000]

At a guess, two Beechjet F/O's, two Excel Captains, an Excel F/O and a partidge in a pear tree. The Hawker Captain probably has a little.

Self serving hog wash.
Another disgruntled "front door" NJI guy.
I guess its better to hide in "anonymity" in the ether of flight info.

 

[gunfyter]

I managed to fly to Kuwait City and back to the US later after operating for some months along the Iraq border ... with stops at Sondrestrom Reykavic Keflavic Prestwick Oberfafenhafen Brindisi Corfu Cyprus Cairo and Dahran after only using Jepps for the first time for about 3 months ... just by reading volume 1 before I left. No International training outside North America other than military helicopter operations from military fields and US Navy ships afloat only.

Had an engine failure while crossing the Atlantic for the first time. Gotta admit I had a really rotten feeling in the pit of my stomach when that happened.

The more experience the better but its everyone's first time once.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Once again, you all missed the point.

 

[jppt2000]

Once again, you all missed the point.

Or, maybe once again, you begin back peddling.
Your buds didn't do so well making their points here or on the union site either.:laugh:

 

[landlover]

Or, maybe once again, you begin back peddling.
Your buds didn't do so well making their points here or on the union site either.:laugh:

i dont know about gutshot's track record on other matters but from my outside view point it seems that guys are showing up to class unprepared.

 

[Going2Golf]

At a guess, two Beechjet F/O's, two Excel Captains, an Excel F/O and a partidge in a pear tree. The Hawker Captain probably has a little.

Actually there were 3 Beechjet F/Os and I would be willing to bet that one of the Beechjet F/Os has more international time than you have total time in your Geeewhiz jet.

 

[jppt2000]

i dont know about gutshot's track record on other matters but from my outside view point it seems that guys are showing up to class unprepared.

Now you miss the point.
This isn't rocket science, in fact, it is pretty straight forward stuff, get over it, para-phrased from a member of the past leadership team now employed by a major over night carrier.
I venture you folks posting this crap on FI are disgruntled, and willing to throw your fellow colleagues, actually anyone, under a bus to keep doing the "international" stuff.
If you have the stones to back up what you claim, post it on the union board, otherwise, its baseless internet trash talk.imp:

 

[jppt2000]

Once again, you all missed the point.

Oh, let me guess, scare everyone, so you can get attention.
People who earned the right (seniority) to fly the G whiz, are unprepared and come to class not knowing what QFE means.
Irregardless of the fact they might know it after they complete it.
I can assure you, there are many lower level university courses, that would eliminate the objections you point out in probably one hour, maybe two.
Get over yourself.
You're one of the few who can save us all with your keen observations, skills and recommendations.
Of course, there's that pesky CBA, probably written and negotiated by folks with a little more training experience than yourself.
Stop the fear mongering, and start respecting your fellow crew members and colleagues.

 

[landlover]

Now you miss the point.
This isn't rocket science, in fact, it is pretty straight forward stuff, get over it, para-phrased from a member of the past leadership team now employed by a major over night carrier.
I venture you folks posting this crap on FI are disgruntled, and willing to throw your fellow colleagues, actually anyone, under a bus to keep doing the "international" stuff.
If you have the stones to back up what you claim, post it on the union board, otherwise, its baseless internet trash talk.imp:

have a coke and a smile. the only netjets flying i do are sell offs.

 

[jppt2000]

have a coke and a smile. the only netjets flying i do are sell offs.

ya sure, must be a lot too!

 

[X-rated]

I'm no expert, but as a Middle East based Global XRS Captain, I can with absolute certainty that this ain't rocket science. Any Netjet's pilot with enough seniority to hold a Global bid will have more than enough experience to make a smooth transition if they are given a good International procedures course. Yes, it's nice to see things the first time with someone who has been there and done it, but that is often not the reality of international flying.

I'm tired of hearing about QFE approaches. There is nothing to them as long as you understand the wheels hit pavement at zero and you read the Jepp plate. As for metric conversion charts, get real. All newer airframes change from feet to meters at the push of a button and most (including the current Global) have conversion pages on the FMS. Can you say no brainer... As for ETP's, I assume most of the guys will be coming out of CX's, F2000's and Hawkers. If you can properly plan a Hawaii crossing, the North Atlantic is a breeze. Especially in an airplane with a 6150nm range.

Clearly, this issue is about who gets to fly the new long range fleet type. It's a difficult issue, and without question, one side is going to be unhappy with the way the pilots are selected. I just hope the argument stays focused on the real issue, and no one tries to pull a safety card to enhance their position.

 

[jonjuan]

I'm no expert, but as a Middle East based Global XRS Captain, I can with absolute certainty that this ain't rocket science. Any Netjet's pilot with enough seniority to hold a Global bid will have more than enough experience to make a smooth transition if they are given a good International procedures course. Yes, it's nice to see things the first time with someone who has been there and done it, but that is often not the reality of international flying.

I'm tired of hearing about QFE approaches. There is nothing to them as long as you understand the wheels hit pavement at zero and you read the Jepp plate. As for metric conversion charts, get real. All newer airframes change from feet to meters at the push of a button and most (including the current Global) have conversion pages on the FMS. Can you say no brainer... As for ETP's, I assume most of the guys will be coming out of CX's, F2000's and Hawkers. If you can properly plan a Hawaii crossing, the North Atlantic is a breeze. Especially in an airplane with a 6150nm range.

Clearly, this issue is about who gets to fly the new long range fleet type. It's a difficult issue, and without question, one side is going to be unhappy with the way the pilots are selected. I just hope the argument stays focused on the real issue, and no one tries to pull a safety card to enhance their position.

Oh brother, now you've done it.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

WHY CAN'T WE BE FRIEEEEENNNNNNDS......... WHY CAN'T WE BEEEEEEE FRRIIEENDS!!!

The fight is not within the pilot group folks. We are in this all together. Remember where the priorities are. Contract compliance. Top notch Customer service.

Boy, fatigue must be setting in after a hard week if I am asking for reason and logic at flight info.

Carry on.

 

[Semore Butts]

Don't much care about ETP

I'm more concerned with PSR and PNR.

Be careful throwing out your high and mighty judgements Gutshot.

You really surprised me? I thought you were OK?

 

[CorpCaptain]

All those NJA guys that dont get to the Global rest easy, the Lear 85 is on the way shortly thereafter. The same guy that brokered the Global deal is in the process to move the 85 into the Sovereign's spot. How do they classify the Sovereign? Is it in the G's pay class?

 

[gunfyter]

All those NJA guys that dont get to the Global rest easy, the Lear 85 is on the way shortly thereafter. The same guy that brokered the Global deal is in the process to move the 85 into the Sovereign's spot. How do they classify the Sovereign? Is it in the G's pay class?

I've heard some NJ maintenance personnel just finished Challenger 300 school....

I wonder if EJM operates any 300's or ... are is the 300' coming to NJA?

 

[BentOver]

Sovereigns are all fairly new.....There were quite a few delivered in '07 and '08...Someone correct me but I think they may be the newest a/c NJA has....give or take

 

[Heavy Set]

All those NJA guys that dont get to the Global rest easy, the Lear 85 is on the way shortly thereafter. The same guy that brokered the Global deal is in the process to move the 85 into the Sovereign's spot. How do they classify the Sovereign? Is it in the G's pay class?

Check out the Lear 85 cockpit:

http://www.learjet85.com/en/technology/avionics.html

Not too bad! I hope you guys get them - I am a big fan of Bombardier and my CL300.