NetJets Domicile Update 5/25

[Swaayze]

Opportunities from both CS and NJA and you are deferring... A lot of pilots I know would kill for one of those opportunities. Good luck and let's hope those opportunities exist for you later on if you want them...

Yes, well.....I'm just no longer willing to sell out my family for aviation. We aren't moving again anytime soon, period. Commuting is not an option if I go frac, so that makes the decisions pretty easy. Of course, this is hindering me greatly right now career/money-wise, but I'm trying very hard to make decisions based on the right priorities this time around. I have recall rights to a "better" airline job that requires a commute, but we'll see what happens when that comes around (if I don't get a better gig first, non-aviation included). Genuine thanks for your concern.

BTW, so there's no confusion, I have not even interviewed yet at either place. I deferred CS at the initial call and I am in the "application accepted" group at NJA awaiting an invite.

Maybe someone else is supposed to have those spots, at least for now.

 

[Dr. B]

Netjets Recruitment

Here's what I sent them....


To Netjets Recruitment,

Currently I fly for Flight Options and reside in Las Vegas, NV. Relocation is not an option for myself and my wife. I would very much like to be a part of your team as a First Officer but I have been told that you now hire exclusively into your selected domiciles. Is there any chance that you will hire pilots into different domiciles in the near future? I have included a current resume for your review.

 

[gunfyter]

Which domicile would you take? LAX is open. Is DAL what you want?The only others are TEB, PBI, and CMH.

 

[Dr. B]

I thought the idea was to let recruitment know how many good people they are missing out on because of the new domicile policy in the current contract. I need to stay where I am - in Las Vegas. I can't tell you how many of my friends here at Options tell me the same thing. If they could keep their current domicile they would go to Netjets tomorrow.

I really want work there, but I cannot relocate again due to my wife's employment (and other factors). That is the truth.

 

[skiandsurf]

I thought the idea was to let recruitment know how many good people they are missing out on because of the new domicile policy in the current contract. I need to stay where I am - in Las Vegas. I can't tell you how many of my friends here at Options tell me the same thing. If they could keep their current domicile they would go to Netjets tomorrow.

I really want work there, but I cannot relocate again due to my wife's employment (and other factors). That is the truth.

Unfortunately, in this line of work, there is a lot of sacrifices. I know that the airlines only offer a few bases. Sure they can commute chaeper, but it still is a commute. If you take the LAX base, you can buy tickets on SWA for probably $50, or just make the 4 hour drive. And being that you live in Las Vegas, you can go home when you have the Vegas overnight. Lucky for me, I am no longer commuting, based in LAX.

Best of luck to you, and remember its all about seniority numbers. Get in early.

 

[Fozzy]

Ski,
Is that your car I saw in the parking lot with the "Will fly for food" bumper sticker?

Swaay,
Right on! This industry is not worth the "sacrifice". Time to get the word out.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Unfortunately, in this line of work, there is a lot of sacrifices.

How many sacrifices does it take?

Lose of pension?

50% paycuts?

Another failed "recovery plan" that targets the elimination of override pay and trip rig?

"Sure, we'll fly E190's on the same routes we flew DC9s for half the pay!!"


The fact is that NJA management has targeted the VERY personal issue of HBAs as a device that can be used in 3.5 years to effectively divide this pilot group into the haves and have nots so that concessions in pay and/or work rules can be realized as a result of the whipsawing.

I think it's crap. This business has already given enough sacrifice. We've paid our dues... and the only pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is what we make for ourselves as a group.

Now is the time to let the NJA recruitment hear WHY you can't accept employment with us.

It's nothing personal... yet. It's just business, numbers and widgets.

 

[ghostrider64]

FYI...there are no training contracts at NJA...I would accpet a position depending upon which aircraft they happened to train me in. Perhaps you'll get a free falcon type then you could quit and do contract work

Problem with LAX is no one can actually afford on our wages alone to live there. Problem with CMH is three fold..1) you are a at the bee hive and as such will get abused on your first and last days. 2) Cow town has crap weather and thats coming from a seattle based guy. 3) you are at the bee hive and as such will get abused on your first and last days

 

[smellthejeta]

Unfortunately, in this line of work, there is a lot of sacrifices. I know that the airlines only offer a few bases. Sure they can commute chaeper, but it still is a commute. If you take the LAX base, you can buy tickets on SWA for probably $50, or just make the 4 hour drive. And being that you live in Las Vegas, you can go home when you have the Vegas overnight. Lucky for me, I am no longer commuting, based in LAX.

Best of luck to you, and remember its all about seniority numbers. Get in early.

FYI... SoCal-LAS runs about $80 on WN now, off peak. Forget Fri-Sun LAX-LAS at that price. If you have to change your plans, WN won't let you standby for an earlier flight unless you want to pay the walk-up fare. Come to think of it, there are absolute TONS of NJA repo flights between SoCal and LAS. You might be able to catch a ride on that for free.

I'm just a stupid line guy, but if you only have to make that LAS-LAX commute twice a month, and you merely WANT to work at NJA, an LAX domicile would be seriously worth considering... especially with a 7&7 schedule.

 

[A-V-8]

O.K. so how much?

So out of ignorance; if I were to accept a job in LAX and only have to go to work twice a month; a long drive would not be so bad. Two hours maybe. What could one expect to pay in rent within a drivable distance from LAX? The internet sites that I have looked at are running like $1200 for studios. That is horrible by my book. Is that what one could expect out in LAX. I for one would be willing to accept a position in LAX but am nervous about the cost of living out west. Anyone already out in LAX as a new hire that can shed some advice on this subject. Also the Citation X pays more for than other planes right? Is that enough to offset the cost of living.

 

[SE-30]

A-V-8,
You could find a room for rent for under $600 in either a shared aparment or a house in the LA area if that's what you want to do. You could find a deal on a guest room if your willing to look around. I just moved out of a place for $525 a month. There is a paper called the Recycler (www.recycler.com) that you could check out and find a place to crash.
Check out the San Fernando valley. You could live near Van Nuys and ride the Flyaway to LAX (parking $4 a day, half hour bus service between VNY and LAX $6 roundtrip)
If you are willing to drive, look at the Recycler for rooms and places in Lancaster/Palmdale and the Inland Empire (Riverside, Ontario, Fontana Banning ect). I just moved to Las Vegas. 5 hours by car.


Hope that helps.

 

[StarHustler]

Ok, got some new info for those that put PBI down as their domicile choice. Apparently, they will be sending out interview email invites in early August for Sept interview dates to fill October classes. This came straight from Ms. Derinda McKinstry. Looking forward to the fall....

 

[Archie Bunker]

Anyone already out in LAX as a new hire that can shed some advice on this subject.

Personally, I don't see how any new hire could afford to live within a reasonable driving distance to LAX on first year pay alone. Anywhere within a 2 hour drive (a reasonable driving distance, IMO) is going to be cost prohibitive unless you're willing to live in a sh*thole, a shared rental arrangement, or your parent's basement. The Vegas commute might be workable for some, but I consider it way too long of a drive, and dealing with the availability of cheap tickets at SWA would be a major pain in the posterior.

The only reason I can afford it here is because I have a military retirement paycheck, and I've been a homeowner in SoCal for years. Otherwise, there is no way I could afford to live here under what I consider decent living conditions.

Also the Citation X pays more for than other planes right?

Nope. 1st year reserve pay is $46K for everyone. If you get the XL/XLS, I believe you receive differences pay...somewhere around $225 a month more. The only aircraft that pay more are the Class 4 (Falcon EX), and the Class 5 (BBJ)....neither of which you will see for a LONG time.

Good luck.

 

[A-V-8]

Amtrak?

The depressing news is that I am still 700 TT away from the min. This is all good info though. What about riding on AMTRAK? Anyone here do that? When I was based in PHL a lot of commuters would do that out of NY when the weather made it impossible to commute.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The depressing news is that I am still 700 TT away from the min. This is all good info though. What about riding on AMTRAK? Anyone here do that? When I was based in PHL a lot of commuters would do that out of NY when the weather made it impossible to commute.

You aren't talking about commuting by train to CMH or LAX from NYC are you??

 

[A-V-8]

You aren't talking about commuting by train to CMH or LAX from NYC are you??

No. I didn’t mean to cause confusion. What I meant was is there a possibility of riding on AMTRAK to LAX from somewhere cheaper to live? It was only like $20 from New York to PHL. Does anyone know of somewhere that this might be a possibility?

 

[Gwadwerc]

Bakersfield is 120 +/- miles. Not sure about cost of living. Does Amtrak have a website? Prob a heck of a lot more reliable info than what you'll get from us.

 

[FLYLOW22]

No. I didn’t mean to cause confusion. What I meant was is there a possibility of riding on AMTRAK to LAX from somewhere cheaper to live? It was only like $20 from New York to PHL. Does anyone know of somewhere that this might be a possibility?

I feel ya bud. I don't wan't anything but HBAs for all of the new guys. For the short term, sure, play the game if ya want but get ready for a knock down drag out on this in the future.

HBAs for everyone will not cost one nickel to this pilot group.

 

[Lou3]

Ok, got some new info for those that put PBI down as their domicile choice. Apparently, they will be sending out interview email invites in early August for Sept interview dates to fill October classes. This came straight from Ms. Derinda McKinstry. Looking forward to the fall....

Good News Star! Thanks for the update!

 

[A-V-8]

Yea you got me there but.....

Bakersfield is 120 +/- miles. Not sure about cost of living. Does Amtrak have a website? Prob a heck of a lot more reliable info than what you'll get from us.

Yes. I have been on the website. What I don’t know is where the places that are ideal to live are. I can find a fare but that does me no real good if it is a fare from somewhere that I can’t afford to live anyway. I have only flown into California a few times. I don’t know my way around at all. If the opportunity to work for Net Jets comes my way I would like to have a back up plan for the LAX base. Just fishing for ideas right now. Would like to have a plan if opportunity knocks. Would hate to turn down a seniority number there because I can’t afford to live and get to work.