Netjets - Citation X or Falcon ?

[nwbusdrvr]

Any of you NJA types out there, if a guy was "hypothetically" offered the X or the Falcon, any benefit to one over the other? Seems like the FA would be nice? Is the flying any different?

 

[bluepost]

From a X guy...pick the falcon...X has more young guys it is a lot of fun...the 2000 is older strange dudes, but the FA could be bad or good...but they have a slower pace...2 hour shows...hour shutdowns etc.

 

[RS6]

FA could be bad or good...

Met one on an overnight a few months back. Quite a partier for a midwest gal.

Big fun though.

 

[flyingcpa]

The falcon. No doubt. I dont think you could find two people that have flown both aircraft that would pick the x.

 

[flyfish]

Then a hypothetical...way to go JB! Were you able to get in before the 21st? Pick the Falcon it's a no brainer. Hypothetically we should be flying together soon!

 

[flyfish]

the 2000 is older strange dudes

Most of the older guys are FO's, won't affect him. Plus, vast majority of a Falcon crews are great people, young and old.

 

[nwbusdrvr]

flyfish,
Unfortunately the class starting today was full, which was the last one before the 21st. So I've got to figure out how this is all going to work. looks like after Jan 1st will be my best bet, since I'll have a "little more free time".

 

[PUCKFA18]

Reality Check

nwbusdrvr,

I'm a new hire from Nov 7th class. Get Falcon out of your mind. It will not happen for a new hire for quite some time. I was offered the X, but turned it down because it is the major WORKHORSE of the fleet. The only other A/C being offered to new hires for the near future is the ULTRA. The only time you get a offer for the X as a new hire is if someone else dropped before you. They informed me and the class behind me that the ULTRA is the only A/C on the table for the near future. But, then again anything can happen??

My two cents

 

[PUCKFA18]

NETJETS New Hire classes Nov 07th and 14th

Just to give you an idea of class enrollments.

Nov 7th 16 Total

Nov 14th 29 Total

 

[flyfish]

We've had about a dozen FO's bid out to CA on other airframes in the last month, plus more to come. I guarantee we'll be hiring Falcon crews very soon. Don't know about the X.

 

[FLYLOW22]

We've had about a dozen FO's bid out to CA on other airframes in the last month, plus more to come. I guarantee we'll be hiring Falcon crews very soon. Don't know about the X.

Agreed! Virtually all F/O's who had been on bypass pay will now be bidding PIC positions as able. All fleets except the BBJ will be needing positons refilled with newhires. Guaranteed.

 

[nwbusdrvr]

puckfa18,
It looks like anything can happen, as the Falcon was offered to me, although not sure if I'm taking it. The whole HBA has got me a little unsure.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Get Falcon out of your mind.

I think that is a false statement due to the fact that 3 of the 10 people that interviewed last week were offered it. We were told that the Ultra is staffed fully.

 

[PUCKFA18]

Sorry, Guys.....

Just informing you all what the training dept and HR told us. I was begging for the Falcon and they told me they are only hiring into the Ultra for awhile.

Again, only my two cents

 

[Grizz]

The one constant at NetJets is that things change constantly. If a recruiter/flight manager/scheduler/manager tells you something, be wary. It could change 5 minutes later. It's not their fault most times, they are just as much on the end of the bullwhip as we are.

 

[gunfyter]

I see many SIC openings about to happen in the Falcon and the X. Thats where the most senior bypassed SICs live... who will be bidding to PIC in other airplanes and therefore creating a need for SICs in the Falcon and X.

 

[On Your Six]

I would think that if you are a newhire and you are going to be sitting in your aircraft for many years (3-5 years), you might as well be comfortable - and the F2000 would be a lot more comfortable than alternatives like the Ultra or Beechjet (especially with the FA on the 2000). That's great news for upcoming newhires.

Everyone talks about how hard the X crews work. With its range and versatility, I would imagine the F2000 works pretty hard too (domestically as well as occasional international flights). Is that the case?

 

[flyfish]

The 2000 does similiar trips as the X..and works almost as hard. Having a FA makes life much more tolerable as they relieve the pilots from a ton of work. Both frequently go to Hawaii and the occasionally Europe. But the 2000EX will start picking up most or all the Europe stuff.

 

[FLYLOW22]

The thing that sux about the X is that it can do virtually anything the other fleets can. When an Owner cannot be accomodated with their aircraft, they will be flown on another aircraft of equal or greater size. There are 71 Xs on property. They are sexy too. They are a popular sub. I think there are around 40 or so 2000s. Not enough in number to have several laying around.

The other thing that sux about the X is 750 lbs of baggae in the tail.... the Falcon sux even more... MORE baggage capability.

You are the bag loader. Start working out.

 

[Some guy]

32 F2000's
2 F2000EASy's
More EASy's are coming but deliveries will be slow until Honeywell gets Cert 3 ready to go.
These numbers do not include NJE or NJME

SG