Netjets Cessna 310

[JustShy]

HAAAAAA a 310 making a single engine climb? Where did you get those numbers. It's not required to meet any climb gradiant.

The Cessna 310 weighs less than 6,000 pounds, but stalls at 63.9 knots, so it too mustmeet the enroute single-engine climb standards. Plugging 63.9 knots into the 0.027Vso(squared) equation produces a requirement of 110.2 fpm. The 310's actual single engine climb under Part 23 conditions is 119 fpm.​

There's another point to consider here. The FAA does not require continued single-engine takeoff capability for any light aircraft other than those designed for air-taxi work and capable of hauling 10 or more passengers. Stated another way, there is no reason to assume that an aircraft will exhibit positive single-engine performance in the takeoff configuration at sea level just because it had to meet a single-engine climb-performance requirement at 5,000 clean.​

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It's a good plane when you're in that stage of your life or you're the owner.

Not to haul crews around like it's a taxicab.

Hmmm...

http://www.mooney.de/workshop/sicherheit/allwaysLeaveAnOut.html

"The Cessna 310 weighs less than 6,000 pounds, but stalls at 63.9 knots, so it too must meet the enroute single-engine climb standards. Plugging 63.9 knots into the 0.027 Vso(squared) equation produces a requirement of 110.2 fpm. The 310's actual single-engine climb under Part 23 conditions is 119 fpm."

 

[paulsalem]

That thing will climb single engine. It has 2 IO-550s at 300hp per side, instead of the normal 520s

 

[Diesel]

So now we are saying it will climb at v1? Not really using any data to back it up?

 

[paulsalem]

Well it will climb at blue line. Best single engine rate of climb.

I've done it in N310QS myself.

 

[IFlyOU]

never thought i'd hear a pilot think that driving was safer than flying.

yet another sign of the apocalypse...

 

[x402]

I got my multi rating in an old tuna tanked 310. In my hands I have no problem flying 310's, in fact I still enjoy piston a/c. I fly a round engine built in 1942.
But having someone tell me to ride in the back doesn't cut it with me.

 

[El Chupacabra]

I hear we just placed an order for 25 310's. Ab-initio fleet will run mechs and parts from RCAs at night. After pilots build 1500 hrs will get ATP checkride and then fly the 25 Eclipse aircraft will use to reposition crews to/from RCAs.

 

[Diesel]

I love the fact that instead of using actual numbers we are using. Ahhh well i've done it and it works.

Oh wait it's a Part 23 airplane the actual numbers aren't going to show a climb.

 

[imacdog]

The 310R has a SE service ceiling of 9,900 feet, and a sea level SE climb of a little under 400fpm at gross weight. The climb rate is very close to what I have seen in the 310R during training. Not sure what model 310 you guys have though.

 

[paulsalem]

Well if you want some numbers I can get my logbook and tell you the date that I did a blue line demo and got the thing to climb, and quite easlily actually. Or, as a NJA employee you can rent N310QS, give me a call, and I'll take you up and show you a single engine climb.

I love the fact that instead of using actual numbers we are using. Ahhh well i've done it and it works.

Oh wait it's a Part 23 airplane the actual numbers aren't going to show a climb.

 

[G4dude]

Hey E, did you fly the A4? It looks like fun.

 

[Diesel]

Most of these planes can outdo the book everyday. Day in and day out.

Problem is we go by what the numbers say in the AFM. Am i sure the X or ultra can outdo the book. Sure but when i'm leaving out of ASE. I look in the AFM and if it says i can't do it I don't.

I don't use personal experience. I use cold hard numbers to see if I can or can not do it.

 

[Udonche]

Diesel

No offense brother but your information is questionable. The Cessna 310 is indeed a part 23 aircraft. Where you got your numbers from though is a huge mystery to me. Under FAR part 23 any multi-engine aircraft that has a Max Gross Take Off weight of 6000 lbs. or greater and or a Vso greater than 61KCAS must prove a 1.5% climb gradient @ 5000' of pressure altitude in order to be certified. The 310R falls under this category due to it's stall speed and indeed meets the requirements.



Any time human beings (yes that includes us line pilots) were and are flown on N310QS the climb gradient is always figured into all IFR departure scenarios. If that figure (plus a buffer built in) does not meet the required than no passengers are to be flown. It is lil NJA 310 SOP. I understand that many people do not want to fly on the little bird and that is fine. But do not pull BS out of your pocket to ruin it for those of us that prefer it over other methods of transportation. I just hope it returns after the contract is finished.

 

[Diesel]

Too bad you need a minimum 3.3 climb gradiant for IFR.

But that's okay because it won't even make the 1.6 vfr climb gradiant.

What conversion does it have because the R model has a 5500 gross weight. You can get a conversion to 5680 but that's it.

 

[Udonche]

The 1.5 gradient that I quoted was merely the part 23 certification regulation Diesel. I’m well aware of what the standard IFR gradient is but thank you for the reminder. You obviously missed my point how ever. The Pilots that fly N310QS will NOT carry pax (other pilots, mechanics, and yes even the big bad BB himself) if they can not meet the departure gradients. It is that simple. The pilots that fly the airplane are not as dumb as you seem to make them out. The only questionable motives that these 310 pilots may have are to be to work for NetJets in the first place and put up with the piston ignorance of all of us jet jocks. Before you go ranting about an operation you no nothing about why don’t you learn a bit from it.