Netjets Casino employees

[Starman]

You think the company is just sticking to the facts. Ask them to explain how 106k at year 5 was such a good deal?

I think the estimate for benefits is 15k per person. Which means this offer is about 91k at year five per person with benefits.

That was also working a 6 & 4 schedule to get that number. About 38 more work days per year. FAc - I think I hear BB calling. He's got more stuff he wants you to post.

 

[Diesel]

You sure it's not BB posting? There are a couple of "so called employees" at NJA posting quite a bit.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Oh my god you're biggest worry is jeans at the workplace? Dude just remember Friday is Hawaiian shirt day.

Include the rest of the quote next time Diesel...Like I said, its Stupid Little Stuff. The company does very well with the important stuff - no layoff policy, benefits package, taking care of employees during personal crisis.

That said, jeans were a quality of life issue for many in the casino, not unlike sitting around an FBO all day for the pilots when you want to be at the hotel watching TV, working out, sleeping, etc.

 

[FamilyGuy]

I'm very concerned that the union has taken an extremely negative, caustic, and derogatory approach in its negotiations with managment and I dont think these tactics will help you. Would you want to compromise and give things to a group that is personally attacking you and trying to humiliate you in public?

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.

What appraoch would you like us to take? We tried the touchy feely approach for the better part of three years with the former MEC. We gave the company relief on EVERTHING and I mean everthing they asked for.

What did that get us?

Come on gents...read between the lines. This is negotiations...

I agree Hogprint, it is negotiations. But that doesnt mean that both groups cant be civil to each other.

And I still dont buy this argument that the company has stalled on this for three years. If the old MEC was a bunch of company stooges that gave the company everything they wanted and 9/11 has just occurred - throwing thousands of pilots out on the street, why wouldnt the Company immediately press for a kick-ass agreement in favor of the company? They were holding all the cards....why not drive the dagger home and get everything they wanted (like the legacy carrier managements are currently doing)?

IMO, the union didnt want to do a deal during 2002-2003 simply because the economy sucked and they wouldnt be able to get what they wanted.....so they waste time going over every single article in the contract and bide their time until the economy turns around. Then they start to kick up a fuss, complaining as loudly and widely as they can about the injustice of waiting 1300 days.

Take your own advice Hogprint and read between the lines....the union was stringing this whole deal out waiting for better economic times to bargain....

 

[Starman]

Take your own advice Hogprint and read between the lines....the union was stringing this whole deal out waiting for better economic times to bargain....

Revisionist history at it's best folks. The masked company stooge strikes again.

 

[FredGarvin]

"you don't know crap"
"fort fumble"
"CLUELESS FOOLS"
"owner services lying to our people everyday"
"some stooge in CMH that doesn't know WTF is going on anyway"
"dumbass"
"trying to screw some chick ya work with."

Dude,
You are a true professional. An asset to your cause and a great spokesman for the brothers, keep up the good work. I have no idea why anybody would compare you guys to bus drivers.

Out.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Originally Posted by FamilyGuy
Take your own advice Hogprint and read between the lines....the union was stringing this whole deal out waiting for better economic times to bargain....

Revisionist history at it's best folks. The masked company stooge strikes again.

Sounds like I struck a nerve.....

Why did you ignore the rest of my post....

And I still dont buy this argument that the company has stalled on this for three years. If the old MEC was a bunch of company stooges that gave the company everything they wanted and 9/11 has just occurred - throwing thousands of pilots out on the street, why wouldnt the Company immediately press for a kick-ass agreement in favor of the company? They were holding all the cards....why not drive the dagger home and get everything they wanted (like the legacy carrier managements are currently doing)?

Answer the question instead of trying to shift attention from the topic by attacking somebody....

Or are you incapable of forming a rational argument and defending your position in a debate?

Maybe that's the real reason why you havent been able to successfully negotiate a TA to your liking....

 

[Starman]

Send me your extension at Bridgeway and I'll debate it all you want.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Send me your extension at Bridgeway and I'll debate it all you want.

Oh come on, its soooo much better here in a public forum where everyone else can see that you cant defend your position.

 

[sikntired]

Aw, C'mon Fred, you're diggin' this and you know it!

The pilots ARE professionals....they just let it all hang out here though. I think it's very interesting that y'all seem to want so much INFORMATION!!!

All of the terms you posted: ACCURATE

 

[sikntired]

Familyguy,
Why do you have such an insatiable need for information? Are you being paid by Netjets management to engage a few pilots in a "debate"? Piss 'em off & get 'em to spill?
Just wondering.

I'm sikntired

 

[FamilyGuy]

Familyguy,
Why do you have such an insatiable need for information? Are you being paid by Netjets management to engage a few pilots in a "debate"? Piss 'em off & get 'em to spill?
Just wondering.

I'm sikntired

Simple, I've invested many years of my life here at Executive Jet/NetJets and I hate to see a great company ruined because people are arguing over the size of a raise....

There are thousands of pilots and other aviation people out on the streets right now wishing they were in our shoes and all we can seem to do is argue.

Personally, I dont want to see any of this discussed on a public board. It is embarrassing and serves no purpose. The union and the company should negotiate behind closed doors and not air our dirty laundry in public.

 

[Some Dude]

Once again "Family Guy and Fred" won't acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys.

The OWNERS ALWAYS RANK THE FLIGHT CREWS AS HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT. No other department comes close to that level of customer satisfaction. Once again they fail or cannot deny the facts of my posts. They try to deflect the truth.

You want professionalism. We have it. I have been intrusted with the safety of the former President of the United States and his family including the current President and his family. I think that speaks volumes about NJA flight crews and the level of professionalism displayed every day. I see people at the casino working their butts off only to be led down the wrong path by clueless management. I really feel sorry for them.

Why don't you offer solutions to fix NJA problems? The flight crews offer real world solutions every single day. Yet not one of you have the balls to take on the facts.

Well I'm waiting...........

 

[FAcFriend]

That was also working a 6 & 4 schedule to get that number. About 38 more work days per year. /I]


Ok, I thought I included the additional work days in the 15 k. But I was wrong. You and another pilot pointed that out to me.

The additional work days cannot be figured in at 15k you have to really count 16k but to be safe we will figure 17k. 17k x 2000 pilots = 34,000,000.00 dollars

ok, so 106-17k = 89k at 5 year captain. What does a 5 year captain make today?


(I edited this post because I looked at the figure again.)

 

[FamilyGuy]

Once again "Family Guy and Fred" won't acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys.

The OWNERS ALWAYS RANK THE FLIGHT CREWS AS HIGHLY PROFEESIONAL AND COMPETENT. No other department comes close to that level of customer satisfaction. Once again they fail or cannot deny the facts of my posts. They try to deflect the truth.

You want professionalism. We have it. I have been intrusted with the safety of the former President of the United States and his family including the current President and his family. I think that speaks volumes about NJA flight crews and the level of professionalism displayed every day. I see people at the casino working their butts off only to be led down the wrong path by clueless management. I really feel sorry for them.

I'm sorry, when did I ever fail to "acknowledge the fact that the FLIGHT CREWS are always at the top of customer satisfaction surveys"?

Go back and read my posts. I've never stated that the flight crews have failed to be professional when dealing with our owners.

You must have been confused when I made the following statement:

From my perspective, the union is taking the low road and management is taking the high road by repeatedly complimenting the pilot group on its professionalism and never degrading them in public. This is in sharp contrast with the unions approach. As Boisture has said in the roundtable meetings - its about treating people with respect. I just dont see that from the union.

All I have seen is management falling all over themselves to tell you guys how 'professional' you are.

My point is that you could benefit by exhibiting some of that professionalism in your negotiation tactics and style.

Why don't you offer solutions to fix NJA problems? The flight crews offer real world solutions every single day. Yet not one of you have the balls to take on the facts.

Well I'm waiting...........

Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else? That must be what's happening here, because if you've read my posts you'll see that I've already made the following statement:

I've seen a lot of people make cost saving suggestions. Some have been implemented and money saved. Other times the person making the suggestion did not know all of the details and once they were filled in on the 'bigger picture' they realized that their suggestion wouldnt be the best choice. The important point is that the management was open to suggestions and gave us feedback, yes or no, that the ideas would work....then they acted on the good ones.

I've worked a lot of jobs and this is the most open environment I've seen to suggestions from the employees. Is it perfect? No, but what company is?