Netjets back to HBA and Gateway?

[captain dad]

Heard from friends (more than one) that had recurrent. Santulli came in and laid it down that NJA will go back to HBA or Gateway within the next six months. I want more verification.


THIS IS NOT FLAME BAIT AND I AM NOT STARTING A RUMOR.


EITHER VERIFY OR DENY (IF YOU WERE THERE). NO OPINIONS PLEASE.

 

[jonjuan]

So what if Rick said it and it's "verified?" Put the timeline in the contract. All he's trying to do is stem the losses of folks leaving.

 

[captain dad]

That could very well be and I agree with you.

That is not the point.

I am just trying to find out what was said and who said it.

 

[realityman]

Denied.

I wasn't there. Don't need to be. Santulli canNOT unilaterally change anything in the contract. The current HBA/Domicile system will remain until contract 2010.

However, taking the above into account, he CAN add more domiciles to the system anytime he feels like it, giving the newhires more places to choose from. The contract does allow the company to open more domiciles at their discretion.

 

[captain dad]

I know what the contract says. I don't want anyones spin on what could happen.

I want someone who was actually there to confirm or deny what was actually said. That's all!

 

[fly4funcrj]

Is there anyway to make a sticky entitled " netjets, 5 domiciles until 2010"... I am domiciled.. I want hba, or at least gateway.. will it happen anytime soon? PROBABLY NOT. We all need to wake up and assume that the domicile thing is here until it is fixed in 2010. Friends of friends who slept with a scheduler who is the husband of the guy who makes tea for RTS in the morning isn't going to cut it here.. When an official memo is put out on the BB, then yippy.. Until then, no more speculating.. Sorry for being pissy, but all these threads do is give hope to people currently here, or thinking about coming here.. netjets doesn't look at the situation as we look at it...
They see an unlimited supply of pilots applying which means the domicile thing is working.. They don't see the cost involved...

 

[realityman]

Captaindad, why do you care what was said? If you're up on the contract then you KNOW that Santulli can NOT change anything, except adding more domiciles, prior to 2010. That's why there's a contract in the first place.

Santulli can come into a class and say whatever the hell he wants to. But if it's something that would be a change to the contract, then he's just blowing sunshine and rainbows up your a**.

If it really makes you feel to better to have someone confirm that he said this, then fine. I've been here over ten years, and I've heard quite a few things come out of his mouth in recurrent that never happened.

I'm heading to recurrent this Sunday, so if he comes in and tells us anything that would make a good rumor I'll be sure to report it to you right away.

Oh, and what I've said is not an opinion. It's a fact. No matter what he says in recurrent, he simply can't change the contract on his own.

 

[IDEtoNJA]

Denied.

I wasn't there. Don't need to be. Santulli canNOT unilaterally change anything in the contract. The current HBA/Domicile system will remain until contract 2010.

However, taking the above into account, he CAN add more domiciles to the system anytime he feels like it, giving the newhires more places to choose from. The contract does allow the company to open more domiciles at their discretion.

Realityman,

Actually the company may allow up to 100% of the pilots on the seniority list to utilize HBA's at the company's sole discretion -- unless said pilots reside within 90 miles of a domicile. This does not need a change in the language of the CBA.

Do I believe that it will happen? Not in this life time! But, the language gives the company the option.

 

[On Your Six]

Great idea, but I doubt Santulli would give up such a great bargaining chip... Perhaps he will add a few domiciles here and there (maybe big airline hub cities like Phoenix, Atlanta and Denver to facilitate direct flights). That would be a great token and he could keep his bigger bargaining chip for later...

Not everyone wants to live in crummy Columbus or super-expensive Los Angeles and Palm Beach... You automatically reduce the potential pool of drivers with those crappy domicile choices...

 

[captain dad]

You guys just can resist spewing the obvious and insulting my intelligence at the same time.

I just wanted to know what the man said. What do you care why? I want to stay up on things. Who knows, maybe I have something constructive to add that may benefit the situation.

I know the contract is not ammendable until 2010. However, they announced only a week ago that they were going to be doing mutual benefitial negotiations, or whatever you want to call it, within the next few months. I know for a fact that this whole base thing has been a money loosing head ache from day one. There are always side letters added to every contract. Contracts aren't written in stone. I don't care if you believe him or not. I just would like to know what was said.


How about this? Can anyone answer my question? If not, please keep your insulting comments to yourself.

I respect your opinions, but please have a little respect.

Thank You.

 

[fly26]

Why wouldn't you ask this question on our private Union board instead of this public board which is rampant with misinformation and hype?

 

[learflyer]

I'm with captain Dad. He simply asked if anyone was at that recurrent and heard it first hand. Would you guys respond this way if you were face to face at the pbi hilton at breakfast? Don't think so.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Local 1108 has very specific ways of dealing with rumors of this nature. If this rumors gains much momentun I expect our Union officials will respond accordingly.

Trust them and no one else.

 

[realityman]

I think captain dad needs a hug.......

And I also agree that it would be more prudent to ask on our own union board instead of here. This board isn't known for its accurate info.

Now back to your regularly scheduled arguing.....

 

[Fozzy]

Okay,
Was not there, but last night I spoke to someone who was. He asked RTS about said situation, and RTS said that they are looking at it or some such crap. Now this is an improvment over, "this is a show stopper", but we know this guys tricks. So until it is in writing (LOA/or policy change because they can at any time open this up for post rat guys) I would not worry about it. It will just make you miserable.

The company is feeling some pain. I like that, now they go a small taste of how we felt.

I will see if I can get the exact quote for you Capdad.

 

[dime line]

Yo Lear flyer, I would tell you to ksiss the rear and pack sand in the hotel, but being that you will not be in PBI for a long time, hahaha. lucky bast__

 

[johnsonrod]

Sounds like Dad needs to chill out... He must be fun to fly with. If you are expecting the exact answer you seek, don't look on a public board like this one where everyone has an opinion...

 

[captain dad]

Thank you Fozzy.

See guys, that wasn't so hard. Civil, to the point, and not a hint of attitude.

I know the union guys are already on it. If there is anything to come out of it I know they will let us know ASAP.

Thanks for all the PMs from the guys that sent them.

P.S. I am a total bucket of wrenches to fly with. I'm the entire toolbox. Just ask the guys on flightinfo.com. Everybody is a tool except themselves.:smash:

Hugs and kisses to all you b!tches.

 

[ozpilot]

Hugs and kisses to all you b!tches.

LOL Captain Dad! Dave Chappell fan?

Stay tuned folks things may change before 2010 - Negiotaions are underway as we speak ... The contract has flaws for both the union and the company - I suspect a membership vote in the not so distant future - some things we will like, some we may not - the contract is a 'living' document...

But don't come to Netjets on what 'may' happen..

 

[yosemite]

As of this posting, there has been no discussion of this during IBB talks.

Will there be? Even I don't know.

Regardless of what was said or what the latest rumor is, don't believe anything until you see it in writing.

Does that help?

 

[ozpilot]

Good point - as a famous man once said - "If it ain't written - it doesn't exist".

As I said - "But don't come to Netjets on what 'may' happen.."

 

[Diesel]

Here is a thought. Get on the union board and post the same question.

Instead of posting a "hopefull messsage" to 100's of non nja pilots who are hoping for a change. Wouldn't it be better to actually focus the question to a more precise group of people who had a better chance of being there?

And no its false. The good news is 20 people just accepted the job because "they heard it from a friend of a friend."

 

[ozpilot]

Here is a thought. Get on the union board and post the same question.

Instead of posting a "hopefull messsage" to 100's of non nja pilots who are hoping for a change. Wouldn't it be better to actually focus the question to a more precise group of people who had a better chance of being there?

And no its false. The good news is 20 people just accepted the job because "they heard it from a friend of a friend."

Ok - what false hope am I promising? Did I mention domicles? What is incorrect about the above?

One more time ...

1) Don't come to NJA if you believe the current state of domiciles will change

2) "If its ain't written, it don't exist!"

and may I had a third ..

Don't trust the opinion of anyone on this board (including myself) in making your future career decisions ...

 

[captain dad]

And no its false. The good news is 20 people just accepted the job because "they heard it from a friend of a friend."

Then that will be 20 more people that quit right after training. I am not telling anyone to come here because the bases are increasing. If they are too stupid to do a little research than they get what they deserve. I thought you guys wanted people to come here and then quit right away?

I'm done thanks for the input.

10 days to BBQ. Enjoy

 

[fischman]

Okay. I was there. RTS said nothing to make me believe he was actually going to open domiciles.

5 domiciles.

 

[pilotpat]

And that's the way it was, Friday, April 20th. I'm Walter Cronkite...


Sorry, had a flashback there.

 

[Diesel]

fine come here and quit I really don't care.

There are people that will come here and realize they are unable to afford moving once again. So now they are stuck, pissed, and still commuting.

Captain dad have you registered for the union board? Pm me i can help if you want.

Hey oz i know everything upside down from where you're from but I was responding to captaindad not you.

The world doesn't revolve around your island full of thieves and prisoners.

 

[ozpilot]

fine come here and quit I really don't care.

Hey oz i know everything upside down from where you're from but I was responding to captaindad not you.

The world doesn't revolve around your island full of thieves and prisoners.

oops! Sorry mate! Blame the confusion on the late hour and the adult beverage I was enjoying


btw - the reason Australia started as a penal colony, is because you guys won the Revolutionary war, and Jolly 'ole England could bo longer send them over here!

 

[DO-82 driver]

Heh...Heh!!!! He said PENAL !!!!!!!

 

[captain dad]

fine come here and quit I really don't care.

There are people that will come here and realize they are unable to afford moving once again. So now they are stuck, pissed, and still commuting.

Captain dad have you registered for the union board? Pm me i can help if you want.

Hey oz i know everything upside down from where you're from but I was responding to captaindad not you.

The world doesn't revolve around your island full of thieves and prisoners.

I appreciate the offer for help. I am fine with the situation as is. I knew all about the way things worked, for the most part, way before I got here. In fact I sat on my app for almost six months to make sure I could make the commute work. I plan on the base system to last for the next 3 years. I accepted that fact before I even interviewed. However, if there is a chance that would change tomorrow, next year, or ten years from now, I want to know about it ASAP. That's all.

No complaints, no bitterness, not mad, in fact quite the opposite. The only down side to this gig is the commute, and for me that really isn't that big of a deal. I hope to change it in the future, but until then I'm cool.

Keep the faith my brothers!