NetJets Application/Interview ?

[Sctt@NJA]

We don't want to kill the Golden Goose. We just want some of the eggs.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the information, gentlemen. Good post Hawkered.

Publishers, it borders on the ridiculous to imply that NJA pilots are greedy. Same for other pilots that are equally underpaid for their labor and expertise. Your disparaging remarks about the pilots that gave up much to serve their country were not appreciated, and furthermore, had no relevancy to the discussion. NJW

 

[gunfyter]

I do not resent it at all. The question is what is a fair salary? Frankly I am more concerned with productivity than salary an dwork rules, scope, and other things that kill the golden goose.

I don't know how you get any more productive than NJ pilots.

 

[Hawkered]

For once I've gotta agree with Netjet Wife!

Who said military flying was easy? Who said it didn't involve sacrifice? Do you think people in the military don't read the money section of their newspapers? C'mon!!

The pressure of enlisted life, constant moves, the risk of being passed over for promotion or having your a$$ shot off make general aviation look like a tea party.

 

[Publishers]

For the record, I was never talking about flying in the military or any disparaging thing about the military. What I was addressing in specific was Netwife saying that her husband in a desk job had prepared a report that the Generals had ignored. The point was that apparently, management did not agree with him there either.

Productivity is not a function of your working hard. It is relative production within the scope that the company works within. How does your contract work in getting done what the company needs done. That kind of thing.

 

[Luap Sel]

I was thinking the exact same thing. For once I've gotta agree with Netjet Wife!

Who said military flying was easy? Who said it didn't involve sacrifice? Do you think people in the military don't read the money section of their newspapers? C'mon!!

The pressure of enlisted life, constant moves, the risk of being passed over for promotion or having your a$$ shot off make general aviation look like a tea party.

I agree with you 100%.

Luap Sel.

 

[gunfyter]

Productivity is not a function of your working hard. It is relative production within the scope that the company works within. How does your contract work in getting done what the company needs done. That kind of thing.

The contract works for the company in the way they have negotiated it to work. They have me for 14 hours a day every day I work. What more could they possibly want? And we work Cheap.

The problem when something is cheap is that it is cheap to mismanage.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Publishers we all want to get the job done. We understand better than anyone else what getting the job done entails.

The missions go on 24/7/365. The logistics are such that what you really need from a business standpoint are pilots that don't need free time, don't need to eat or sleep and who are always ready to go, wait, then go some more regardless of time of day or anything else.

The things we need and want as pilots are directly detrimental to the efficiency of the operation (eating, sleeping ect). But we have to have work rules that are not only possible but also sustainable. Otherwise it would be (and sometimes is) a burn-out job that you can only take for so long.

We need to be productive and we need to address the human needs. If you just want productivity then you are just as shorted sighted a manager as the pilot who thinks he should only have to fly 5 days a month and make 200k.

 

[netjetwife]

Backpedaling now are we?

For the record, I was never talking about flying in the military or any disparaging thing about the military. What I was addressing in specific was Netwife saying that her husband in a desk job had prepared a report that the Generals had ignored. The point was that apparently, management did not agree with him there either.

You called dedicated, professional pilots...I'll highlight it for you...

"If these air force CHILDREN had spent the time working their way through the civilian system, they would have more APPRECIATION for the industry and this company. If it had not been for the creativity and leadership this company had, these people would be out struggling along."

Calling military pilots, many of them combat veterans, boys (essentially) is NOT disparaging? My husband, and others posting here, don't see it that way! And who are you, Publishers, to comment on THEIR appreciation? You know these pilots personally, do you? Here's a tip for you: Air Force is capitalized as a sign of respect. A small point, perhaps, but a very telling one, nonetheless.

You are also misrepresenting my husband's work. There were numerous briefings on the subject of pilot retention/training that were recognized as valuable input. The Generals were NOT in disagreement; they simply were unwilling to go against the political will of the civilian leaders. Those were the drawdown years.

 

[njwingman]

Productivity is not a function of your working hard. It is relative production within the scope that the company works within. How does your contract work in getting done what the company needs done. That kind of thing.

And so, Publishers, if your aircraft is being flown 750 hours per year, how many pilots would you hire to fly the aircraft to "get done what needs done"? And what kinds of flight hours would you expect out of those pilots each year? Each day? And how many nights each year would you expect them to be away from their families? And what would you pay them?

Give us some specifics. You've represented yourself to know. NetJets might need you.

You're in here bashing the guys in the cockpit and putting it all on our backs to make a company successful, when you should be asking yourself if the boys behind the desks are "getting it done". It's a two way street.