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Just a general idea to toss into the topic of profit - would it ever be possible to get a union and a company to develop some sort of profit sharing or service quality system? I think Fedex Express uses one for their package handlers, where employees are given bonuses based on performance metrics such as on time deliveries, damaged packages, injuries, etc. My 2 initial thoughts are that it would bring the union and the company together to fight as a whole for the bonuses, but also one side may feel they should get a bigger percentage of the money to split amongst their group. If NetJets continues to be profitable, then giving out bonuses to the workforce would "hide" some of the profit from the public [which may be useful as someone stated previously].
 
Crewservicer. Everyone except you. :). Quack quack.

Nnjpilut. We do have a profit sharing program. Ill just leave it at that.
 
Diesel, I won't edit my post but I will clarify it for you. I regularly offer encouragement and warnings to pilots (union and non-union alike) that are presently fighting to achieve industry standards. If you think about it you will realize that the pilots being warned are the Flight Options pilots that still believe their management will take care of them even after jacking up their health care premiums outrageously on the policy that the company holds. I'm sure that the Flt Ops pilots can give lots more examples along the lines of raises that never came and better QOL promises that were continually broken. I know that the majority of NJ pilots are satisfied with the current CBA and I have posted recently about the progress being made on the joint union-company endeavors at NJA so it wasn't likely that I was referring to the current atmosphere at CMH...:rolleyes: From talking to my husband I know that there are signs that NJA has come to accept the union and is beginning to realize the wisdom of working with them instead of against them.

You suggest that contract negotiations are "just business" but I disagree. Being a professional doesn't make one devoid of emotions; actually, many times strong reactions are needed to affect change. We all know that apathy causes lots of problems. It takes a very determined/stubborn group to dig in their heels and fight back. It wasn't until the NJ pilots got fed up and disgusted that things started changing for the better. The same applies to Options. Those who don't care don't get involved so it isn't just coincidence that the most dedicated also volunteer the most.

Negotiations are full of business discussions but the accompanying labor unrest is frequently referred to as an "emotional roller coaster." Experts warn union members not to be swayed by management instigated FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt, are definitely emotional reactions that are fought with feelings of unity and faith in one's cause. The business side of it is doing the research and organizing your arguments for parity in one's field. But to hold your ground takes a lot of confidence and the ability to remain optimistic in the face of discouragement. It's no accident that those most passionate about what they believe in have achieved the most, particularly when logic would say that the odds were not in their favor. This human element part of the equation can apply to many different struggles for justice whether it's a contract battle for professional wages or a family's legal fight to have a criminal punished. The recipe for success is the same: Don't give up; be willing to finance the fight; hire experts; make use of all available resources to leverage your position; and draw strength and hope from those who support your cause.

Not just a "cheerleader" for NJ pilots
NJW

PILOTS ARE PROFESSIONALS WHO SHOULD BE COMPENSATED ACCORDINGLY

(Generalization was deliberate)
 
netjetwife said:
It takes a very determined/stubborn group to dig in their heels and fight back. But to hold your ground takes a lot of confidence and the ability to remain optimistic in the face of discouragement.


You need to do a little research on a group of pilots from an airline called Comair, and another group called GoJets (both unionized work forces). Then come back and talk your fluff fluff rah rah "epic battles" of good and evil. You'll be singing a different tune once you know a little history.

What you dont realize is who I am. I spent almost 9 years within ALPA, at 3 airlines no less, as was heavily involved in 2 of them, one as an elected union official.... (So there, the cats out of the bag). So it is with great confidence and years of experience that I can say "Your full of sh*t lady".

NetJets pilots are in a totally different class of work as professional pilots go. They were grossly underpaid and the recent contract resolved that. There were scope clause issues which they wanted addressed, that happened too. They got what they wanted, now the company is getting what it wanted... a lean mean machine. You and your husband carry a grudge, use names, cant forget the past, wont forgive and forget... etc. etc. Get over it and move on. Enjoy the cash he makes and quit living inside a George Lucas Starwars episode!

And yes you are a cheerleader...
 
netjetwife said:
therefore, I politely suggest that you put me on your ignore list since my sincere form of support doesn't meet with your approval. It's my honest opinion that you'd be much happier that way...;)

A classical response to ignoring ones problems; tell the other person to go away. You’ve obviously missed the point I was making, I could care less what you say or how you say it. I might not agree with you, but your comments don’t aggravate me like they do so many others. My sister is a professional Psychologist in Kansas City, she deals primarily with married couples going through challenging times, and I hear it from her all the time, people get into severely stressed situations and make assumptions or tie into other aspects of their lives problems which aren’t the real issue. It’s 'the everything' is wrong with the system approach, when in all actuality its only one small thing.

Example: A good friend of mine is being sued by a general contractor here in N.C. for pulling out of a house purchase after he realized the basement was flooding. The contractor (not an upstanding businessman) is desperate to sell the house, so he sues my friend for ‘breach of contract’. Meanwhile, 65 miles away, my wife and I are using a contractor to build our new home in the CLT area. According to your logic, I should put up my guard, and get ready to fight because my friend has obviously seen what general contractor are all about. Well we all know that is false logic. Just as your comparison of your brothers murder and its fight for a justice through the criminal proceedings to the contract struggles and workers issues of the fractional pilot groups in America. They have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with each other. You are obviously trying to tie the events together because they mean so much to you, but sadly they don’t make sense because no one is in your position. Therefore your argument is tainted to a personal issue, making your logical comparison mute in all aspects.

You’re dealing with a tremendous amount of personal anxiety and stress in your life. I feel you are searching for an avenue to express yourself; and there is nothing wrong with that. If you don’t feel comfortable with using professional counselors, then perhaps you should consider Law School or taking some courses in Political Science. Either might be an excellent venue to release some of your ‘emotional baggage’. Everyone has it, and you are not the only one who hasn’t found a way to deal with it.

That being said; posting under an anonymous nickname on a website where there are more flame throwing hand grenades than downtown Baghdad isn’t going to solve your problems (unless your not really a married woman, and your posing as one to live out one of those alternative internet lifestyles, which would be really sick). And if it were normal for a spouse to be using this website to offer support and encouraging remarks to the “galactic pilot universe”, why are you the only one? Why don’t you start your own pilot resource and support network website where you can control what is said and done? I bet 75% of the pilots on here have wives. Where are they? (Mine left for work 30 minutes ago and told me to get the living room vacuumed… I need a job again but that’s another story) Your never going to solve all the injustices in life, or fix all the bankrupt companies that ruin workers lives… and the sooner you realize there is never going to be an American Utopia, the sooner you can live by my approach:

Do right by others; even if they poke you in the eye, their problem is not my problem. Don’t sweat the small stuff, and enjoy everyday like it was your last.

Best of Luck,

Alan C
 
done? I bet 75% of the pilots on here have wives. Where are they? (Mine left for work 30 minutes ago and told me to get the living room vacuumed… I need a job again but that’s another story)


hehe! mine told me to vacuum, and clean the cat box this morning!:)
 
Mine leaves a freaking list. And those three week off are brutal. From now on I am not telling her I am on vacation. I am just going to leave for a week.

Why do you think LT, CM and some of the other senior Bubba's don't take their vacation?!
 
Mine leaves a freaking list. And those three week off are brutal. From now on I am not telling her I am on vacation. I am just going to leave for a week.

Just a word of advice on the list. Don't run it through the shredder, even if you are trying to be funny. Learned that lesson the hard way.
 
You guys just have to man up.

When my wife comes home I leave a list for her.
 
My wife she complete slob. She worth only two goat. You want trade? :laugh:
 

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