Netjet Profit 143 million

[learflyer]

So, who's your hubby? Come on, let it out!

 

[netjetwife]

Many who post and/or read here already know the answer to that question. Others could make a very good guess by reading my posts closely. Suffice it to say that my husband's involvement gives me a front row seat.

 

[VVJM265]

Nice to see you back "in the fray NJW." Hope all is well.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks VVJM! The wheels do indeed turn slowly but we're finally getting somewhere. I'm expecting to see solid progress this summer. Persistence pays off. Good luck to all those fighting for a fair contract. As always, my uphill battle reminds me of yours.
Hang in there!
NJW

 

[Diesel]

As always, my uphill battle reminds me of yours.

huh???

 

[learflyer]

huh???

Estrogen my friend, estrogen.

 

[netjetwife]

huh???

I have previously posted that my family's fight for justice (in my brother's murder) makes it easy for me to identify with those who fight against the odds, struggle with morally bankrupt authority figures, and deal with incompetence in the system (not to mention grief).

I know first hand all about being stalled and have learned the hard way (just like the frac pilots) not to trust the other side to do the right thing when all they want is for you to take your cause and go away. A number of my friends know of my battle and follow my progress. Being in my second year gives me an affinity with those involved in long, drawn out fights that can be tough to endure. I'm starting to see progress and wish the same for all frac pilots (unionized or not) fighting for professional compensation. Don't give up! NJW

 

[Gruman Fan]

I have previously posted that my family's fight for justice (in my brother's murder) makes it easy for me to identify with those who fight against the odds, struggle with morally bankrupt authority figures, and deal with incompetence in the system (not to mention grief).
I'm starting to see progress and wish the same for all frac pilots (unionized or not) fighting for professional compensation. Don't give up! NJW

With all do respect Madam; you need to see a professional counselor or perhaps a pastor. I don’t think you’re crazy, nor mentally deranged; but you need to seek counseling on issues which are affecting your ability to rationalize what you are saying. I gladly embrace your ability and freedom to say anything you wish on this chat board, regardless of who you are. While I don’t agree that this is the appropriate place for most of your ranting, this is America nonetheless.

That being said, to engage in conversation about union politics and or professional flying issues (when you yourself aren’t even a pilot) and somehow tie these issues or conversations to a murder is ludicrous. The death of your brother certainly commands my sympathies to your family. However tragic it may be, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with 99.9% of anything discussed on this website.

In an effort to link workers rights and struggles (which I laugh at in this country because anyone living here has it made compared to the other 20 billion people with whom we share oxygen) with the pursuit of legal justice in a criminal case involving murder is like comparing American slavery of the 18th and 19th century to modern day bankruptcy proceedings involving union contracts being voided. I know what you are attempting to draw a parallel too, but it doesn’t work.

If your pursuit on flightinfo.com is to somehow form a support group or a loyal following, you’re barking up the wrong tree as they say in South Carolina. If you have something to say which contributes to the discussion, by all means say it. If you wish to express your personal views on an issue, speak them. However, you might want to keep your family issues private, and out of the public eye. They have no bearing or influence on the real issues being discussed. And I mean this as a polite and honest opinion; your making yourself look like a segregational activist.

Sincerely,

Alan C.

 

[netjetwife]

Alan, my comparison had nothing to do with murder, per say. The point is that far too many people assume that the authorities--be it a Sheriff's Dept or managers of an aviation company--will do the right thing by them and their family. Too often when we see something wrong we mistakenly think that all we have to do is explain the situation and the people in charge will make it right. I now know how misplaced trust can be, and unfortunately, many frac pilots have learned the same hard lesson. Thus, the vast majority (union and non-union alike) have experience with being deliberately stalled. Although I'm not a pilot I can definitely relate with having to deal with that and it is easy for me to sympathize with how discouraging it can be. So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

I'm saying that standing up for yourself is right and persistence can pay off. It all boils down to a determination to prevail and finding hope to persist in the face of great odds--whether we're talking about an individual's fight, or a group's struggle. Cheering on those involved in current battles for justice in no way diminishes those who fought for their rights in the past. On the contrary, I believe that anyone who has successfully fought an injustice would want their example to inspire others to make a stand in their own lives.

Fighting for justice is an American ideal that makes this country great and we should all uphold that tradition when circumstances make it necessary. I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either. Those who don't wish to read my posts can easily exercise their right to ignore them but what you call "ranting" has been seen as encouraging and/or interesting/insightful to others.

Unlike you, I'm not amused by the fact that frac pilots are paid sub-par wages for their professional skills and I don't think they "have it made" only because they live in America. Just because there are starving children elsewhere doesn't mean pilots in the U.S. should be satisfied with pay so low it qualifies them (or their peers) for govt assistance to feed the family. I don't think they compare themselves to people in other places in the world.... Most rightfully look at the fair salaries of those doing the same or a similar job and expect to be paid a comparable wage. Many pilots consider protracted battles over wages and working conditions to be quite a struggle and they appreciate expressions of support. The fact that mine is motivated (in part) by my own personal legal battle should be irrelevant to you; therefore, I politely suggest that you put me on your ignore list since my sincere form of support doesn't meet with your approval. It's my honest opinion that you'd be much happier that way...

For both the group efforts to obtain wage parity and the individual efforts to achieve fairness in a private matter, I will continue to lend my moral support to those waiting for the wheels of justice to slowly turn in their favor. It is my experience that compassion and a sense of community spirit can make the waiting easier. To everyone fighting: Have faith in the rightness of your cause and don't give up. Good Luck!

Standing by my post,
Netjetwife

 

[Diesel]

. I now know how misplaced trust can be, and unfortunately, many frac pilots have learned the same hard lesson. Thus, the vast majority (union and non-union alike) have experience with being deliberately stalled. Although I'm not a pilot I can definitely relate with having to deal with that and it is easy for me to sympathize with how discouraging it can be. So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

Thats where these two situations are so different they aren't even on the same planet. Contract negotiations are just business. Thats all. Nothing else. Being able to seperate yourself from emotional responses is what makes us professionals. We have ice water in our veins when it comes to this stuff.

Calling MGMT morally bankrupt is wrong, and no matter how many stories you hear or have people PM you, you have no place in saying that. There are a lot of good people upstairs who try to do the best with what they have. While I may disagree with a lot of them and their opinions, I realize they are trying to do what they think is best. What I think is best sometimes is different.

I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either.

Whoooah what? Corporate greed? You have proof because by all means call the bk number (no not burgerking) and tell them that you saw lights in the watergate hotel. I'm amazed that you could even link the two in the same sentence.

My point is this- Fine be the cheerleader for us to get higher wages (which by the way can't happen till the new contract) but think twice about comparing your husbands struggle at NJ to a family members muder.

While I don't agree with a lot of what happens, and I definetly don't sugar coat it, terms like corporate Greed and moral bankruptcy has no real place when describing NJ.

I respectfully request you edit your post.

 

[notaNJApilot]

hey NJW,
when you get carpal tunnel from all that typing, who are you going to sue - the company or the union?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

The point is that far too many people assume that the authorities--be it a Sheriff's Dept or managers of an aviation company--will do the right thing by them and their family.

So my boss the Chief Pilot is walking around with a gun and a badge? Why dont we just say that the local manager at McDonalds should be the town mayor... or the truck driver at UPS should be a CIA agent, or my wife the homemaker can be President of the NAACP. You have a major problem with people in positions of authority... that is unless that person is you. (Did you like Queen Mary the most when you studied History?)

So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

I worked for Midway Airlines, best place I ever worked, and we went bankrupt... So I guess I was stupid for staying there according to your math. I was dumb and misguided for trying to make a great airline (with bad financial leaders) survive... Oh now I get it; when bad managers make bad corporate decisions I should show them I know best by making bad flying decisions and cost the company even more $$. Yeah, thats the ticket... NOT!

It all boils down to a determination to prevail and finding hope to persist in the face of great odds--whether we're talking about an individual's fight, or a group's struggle. Cheering on those involved in current battles for justice in no way diminishes those who fought for their rights in the past. On the contrary, I believe that anyone who has successfully fought an injustice would want their example to inspire others to make a stand in their own lives.

yeah, pilots in America are really taking it in the shorts aren't they. (scroll to the top of this webpage right now and read one of the 3 or 4 banners advertising for pilot positions, most with 600 or less total flying time). The toughest choice Ive made in the last 3 years is to buy the $600 or $800 stainless Bar-B-Q grill. Pilots on welfare (and I was one) are the ones just starting out in this business who get hosed by the more senior pilots who got hosed when they were the junior guy. Its called the food chain, and thank goodness I've worked my way up it a few notches. Ive got 20 or so neighbors; everyone of them would cut their left nutt off to have my job, my lifestyle, my benefits, etc. etc.

Fighting for justice is an American ideal that makes this country great and we should all uphold that tradition when circumstances make it necessary. I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either. Those who don't wish to read my posts can easily exercise their right to ignore them but what you call "ranting" has been seen as encouraging and/or interesting/insightful to others.

Are you writing a novel here? Sounds like a warped version of War and Peace... You'd make an excellent A.C.L.U. propagandist, or a P.E.T.A. lawyer.

Just because there are starving children elsewhere doesn't mean pilots in the U.S. should be satisfied with pay so low it qualifies them (or their peers) for govt assistance to feed the family. I don't think they compare themselves to people in other places in the world....

hope Im in heaven before you so I can see the look on your face when God reads your qoute back to you. You seem to have no problem ranking American Corporate greed at the top of the list, yet you clearly defend your right to have more to eat in a single day than a child living in Africa will eat in 3 weeks! Yeah, Im behind ya......NOT

Many pilots consider protracted battles over wages and working conditions to be quite a struggle and they appreciate expressions of support.

And many many more DONT see it like you do and laugh at your posts of "epic" struggles, and the "evil" empire. Here's a little clue Mrs. Your husband is paid a wage to do a job, period. He isnt anybody special (expect in the union hall where Im sure he's the big *ss kicking man on campus) Like me, he's blue collar labor. If a cockpit was a cab, he would be a truck driver, if a yoke was a hammer, he would be a carpenter; Get it? If you guys dont like the way the "OWNERS" and "MANAGERS" of NetJets run the company, leave! But you wont do that will you... Because he's making a wheel barrel full of $$$ every month for doing something he loves. How lucky is that!

I will continue to lend my moral support to those waiting for the wheels of justice to slowly turn in their favor.

And I will continue to call you out for the idiotic posts you make which are so full of blah blah crap and cry me a pool of tears junk, that its hard to see my computer screen from the steam coming off the pile of poop you leave on it! Every time I read your posts I pinch my nose and roll up my pant legs.

Here's some advice, go buy a Harley Davidson. I just bought a '07 Ultra Classic Electra Glide (US Army Patriot Edition) and it should be here in 2 weeks. I'll be thinking about how blessed I am to live in a country where I have the freedom of speech, healthcare for my family, great weather, and clean water while my wife and I ride around on that big fat hog! And I'll also be double greatful that I finally made it in aviation and can afford to have a few nice things. Because the US Army combined with flying a Gulfstream has taken me to many places where people are just trying to moisten their lips; much less get a #2 combo at Burger King. Think about it!


And while Im at it, why cant your friggin husband grow a pair and get on here and speak for himself. Or is that against official union policy?

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Excellent post Diesel. You and many many other NJA pilots have the whole thing figured out. And thats why you have my support. Since the new contract, your union has really stepped up to the plate and the pilots are doing an excellent job. NetJets is clearly on track to "OWN" this business. And if the competition goes under.... well thats just business now isnt it.

 

[Diesel]

wolf please tell me you went with the 800 dollar unit?

Vermont Castings?

nice post btw. two different sides taking the same angle.

 

[NJACrewservicer]

Calling MGMT morally bankrupt is wrong, and no matter how many stories you hear or have people PM you, you have no place in saying that. There are a lot of good people upstairs who try to do the best with what they have. While I may disagree with a lot of them and their opinions, I realize they are trying to do what they think is best. What I think is best sometimes is different.

Thanks Diesel, I appreciate the comments.