Netjet Profit 143 million

[Number$Cruncher]

I guess this means you don't understand mathematics.

I think there are support groups for people like that.

The track record of your comments and predictions on this board is not good... Lets take this one:

Yes, that's true about the gas price. But as far as your other promises of pending NetJets' pilot muscle, I'm not holding my breath. First, the TA will pass. Second, do you really think NetJets managment will agree to a pilot contract that further erodes the non-existent net margin they currently have? Never gonna happen


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This is what you posted while promoting the failed 2004 POS TA.

If we listened to you I would still be broke.

Yes, I got the contract one wrong. I never thought management would offer such an expensive contract. Good for you, for now.

The profit everyone is talking about, however, is accounting math. It ties out, I'm sure, but the better truth is in the cash flow. Too bad we can't get a look at the details. In the meantime, I'd suggest you (and everyone else who is a homeowner, or considering becoming one) read the article linked below. It was in the Journal earlier this month. While it doesn't really say anything new, it will give many people an eye-opening reality check when it comes to the value of your house. (You brought up the house thing)

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page94?oid=79089&sn=Detail


Fly safe.

 

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[Fozzy]

Yes, I got the contract one wrong. I never thought management would offer such an expensive contract.

They got off cheap.

 

[jonjuan]

They got off cheap.

Keeps RTS able to line his pockets for another few years with little friction while he moves money around. Number cruncher understands it.

 

[fischman]

Which is the real reason why you stay on here constantly.

Isn't there a web forum for:


"Pilot Wives who want to be pilots, but cant fly planes, that want to be moms, but want to travel the world, but want to stay at home, that want to be independant, but want to be needed, that like to talk to other men, but want to be recognized as a woman, that want to be leaders, but dont know sh*t about business, that want to be cool, but like being annoying!

Google it and see where it leads you......... (away from here I hope)

Holy crap man...:nuts:

NJW, I'm with ya.

 

[Diesel]

im with ya wolf

 

[learflyer]

I'm torn. I love NJW, because she is not spineless, and she sticks up for her man. I appreciate Wolf, because Jimmy V is one of my favorite people, and I donate to his foundation every year.

 

[netjetwife]

You said it sister!!! I'm going to start flying around with a tip jar and a monkey that can play the accordion.imp:

And perhaps a gorilla to load the luggage? In all seriousness, superior service seems to work for many pilots that receive tips. That said, a fair contract guaranteeing a professional compensation package is the best way to cover your expenses. I think that should be the goal of every frac pilot.

Gentlemen, thanks for the friendliness and moral support of my right to post here. I'm happy to stick up for all of the frac pilots because I respect your skills and understand the demands of your lifestyle. To those of you who don't like reading my posts I invite you to put me on your ignore list. The PMs I receive (along with positive posts here) put you in the minority and I'm sure you'll understand if I defer to those opinions over yours....
NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Be disappointed that is your choice. I give credit where credit is due and when it is deserved. Shifting deck chairs around on the Titanic isn't much of a plan. I will watch and continue to be proved correct.

Just to be clear, are you saying that the NJ Union Training Committee deserves no credit for helping to improve training? Do you always withhold your approval during the process and acknowledge only the final result? I shudder to think where we'd all be today if the NJ pilots thought like that during the Strong Union movement. Their widespread support made the 2005 CBA possible, did it not?

Does it count as only "shifting" when some broken chairs are removed to make room for new ones? Others see that as a sign of progress and think it shows determination to overhaul the system. The UTC pilots understand that extensive remodeling projects are notoriously slow, but there are good reasons to be optimistic when you see the demolition phase began. It's to be expected that a complete overhaul must be phased in gradually. I think both sides deserve credit for being willing to work together in a cooperative spirit that shares a joint goal of making NJ training the quality program that it should be. Perhaps you haven't seen the concrete evidence of cooperation that I am referring to? Stay tuned and keep watching. I think there may be a forthcoming announcement from the UTC that will change your mind...

Maybe I'm more optimistic because I've been watching the behind the scenes work that has taken place and I've heard the examples of how STEP has made a positive impact on the pilots that have gone through the program. What are the NJ pilots looking for as an indicator that real work has begun and that the participants are committed to changing the training dept for the better?

Watching and waiting,
NJW

 

[netjetwife]

Setting the record straight--

....."Pilot Wives who want to be pilots, but cant fly planes, that want to be moms, but want to travel the world, but want to stay at home, that want to be independant, but want to be needed, that like to talk to other men, but want to be recognized as a woman, that want to be leaders, but dont know sh*t about business, that want to be cool, but like being annoying!

Google it and see where it leads you......... (away from here I hope)

Correction: Although I respect the skill involved and enjoy hearing the flying stories, I've never had a desire to fly a plane. I have been lucky enough to travel extensively in Europe and Egypt (with kids in tow), and I do happen to be a very good mom with healthy, well behaved, intelligent kids. Parenting can be a tough job when done right. Suffice it to say that I'm a hard worker.

As for the combination of being independent yet needed-- that applies to both pilots and their spouses. The lifestyle definitely requires a balancing act like few others and I applaud all who manage it. Yes, I enjoy thought-provoking dialog with the posters here (mostly male it seems) but I ask for no special consideration because of my gender. Simply put, the environment is better for all when common decency and respect are exhibited by each of us.

I've never professed to be a business expert but that isn't necessary to know that frac pilots are professionals that should be compensated as such. I have no aspirations to be "cool" by posting here and am fully aware that there are those who take a dim view of this forum because of the rudeness encountered here. Nonetheless, I've learned to sift carefully through the posts to find the intelligent discussions about events that directly impact my family. I have enjoyed the insights shared here by considerate board members and thank those of you who accept me and have included me in the online conversations. I greatly appreciate the friendly PMs and the moral support.

Sincerely,
Netjetwife

 

[learflyer]

So, who's your hubby? Come on, let it out!

 

[netjetwife]

Many who post and/or read here already know the answer to that question. Others could make a very good guess by reading my posts closely. Suffice it to say that my husband's involvement gives me a front row seat.

 

[VVJM265]

Nice to see you back "in the fray NJW." Hope all is well.

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks VVJM! The wheels do indeed turn slowly but we're finally getting somewhere. I'm expecting to see solid progress this summer. Persistence pays off. Good luck to all those fighting for a fair contract. As always, my uphill battle reminds me of yours.
Hang in there!
NJW

 

[Diesel]

As always, my uphill battle reminds me of yours.

huh???

 

[learflyer]

huh???

Estrogen my friend, estrogen.

 

[netjetwife]

huh???

I have previously posted that my family's fight for justice (in my brother's murder) makes it easy for me to identify with those who fight against the odds, struggle with morally bankrupt authority figures, and deal with incompetence in the system (not to mention grief).

I know first hand all about being stalled and have learned the hard way (just like the frac pilots) not to trust the other side to do the right thing when all they want is for you to take your cause and go away. A number of my friends know of my battle and follow my progress. Being in my second year gives me an affinity with those involved in long, drawn out fights that can be tough to endure. I'm starting to see progress and wish the same for all frac pilots (unionized or not) fighting for professional compensation. Don't give up! NJW

 

[Gruman Fan]

I have previously posted that my family's fight for justice (in my brother's murder) makes it easy for me to identify with those who fight against the odds, struggle with morally bankrupt authority figures, and deal with incompetence in the system (not to mention grief).
I'm starting to see progress and wish the same for all frac pilots (unionized or not) fighting for professional compensation. Don't give up! NJW

With all do respect Madam; you need to see a professional counselor or perhaps a pastor. I don’t think you’re crazy, nor mentally deranged; but you need to seek counseling on issues which are affecting your ability to rationalize what you are saying. I gladly embrace your ability and freedom to say anything you wish on this chat board, regardless of who you are. While I don’t agree that this is the appropriate place for most of your ranting, this is America nonetheless.

That being said, to engage in conversation about union politics and or professional flying issues (when you yourself aren’t even a pilot) and somehow tie these issues or conversations to a murder is ludicrous. The death of your brother certainly commands my sympathies to your family. However tragic it may be, it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with 99.9% of anything discussed on this website.

In an effort to link workers rights and struggles (which I laugh at in this country because anyone living here has it made compared to the other 20 billion people with whom we share oxygen) with the pursuit of legal justice in a criminal case involving murder is like comparing American slavery of the 18th and 19th century to modern day bankruptcy proceedings involving union contracts being voided. I know what you are attempting to draw a parallel too, but it doesn’t work.

If your pursuit on flightinfo.com is to somehow form a support group or a loyal following, you’re barking up the wrong tree as they say in South Carolina. If you have something to say which contributes to the discussion, by all means say it. If you wish to express your personal views on an issue, speak them. However, you might want to keep your family issues private, and out of the public eye. They have no bearing or influence on the real issues being discussed. And I mean this as a polite and honest opinion; your making yourself look like a segregational activist.

Sincerely,

Alan C.

 

[netjetwife]

Alan, my comparison had nothing to do with murder, per say. The point is that far too many people assume that the authorities--be it a Sheriff's Dept or managers of an aviation company--will do the right thing by them and their family. Too often when we see something wrong we mistakenly think that all we have to do is explain the situation and the people in charge will make it right. I now know how misplaced trust can be, and unfortunately, many frac pilots have learned the same hard lesson. Thus, the vast majority (union and non-union alike) have experience with being deliberately stalled. Although I'm not a pilot I can definitely relate with having to deal with that and it is easy for me to sympathize with how discouraging it can be. So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

I'm saying that standing up for yourself is right and persistence can pay off. It all boils down to a determination to prevail and finding hope to persist in the face of great odds--whether we're talking about an individual's fight, or a group's struggle. Cheering on those involved in current battles for justice in no way diminishes those who fought for their rights in the past. On the contrary, I believe that anyone who has successfully fought an injustice would want their example to inspire others to make a stand in their own lives.

Fighting for justice is an American ideal that makes this country great and we should all uphold that tradition when circumstances make it necessary. I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either. Those who don't wish to read my posts can easily exercise their right to ignore them but what you call "ranting" has been seen as encouraging and/or interesting/insightful to others.

Unlike you, I'm not amused by the fact that frac pilots are paid sub-par wages for their professional skills and I don't think they "have it made" only because they live in America. Just because there are starving children elsewhere doesn't mean pilots in the U.S. should be satisfied with pay so low it qualifies them (or their peers) for govt assistance to feed the family. I don't think they compare themselves to people in other places in the world.... Most rightfully look at the fair salaries of those doing the same or a similar job and expect to be paid a comparable wage. Many pilots consider protracted battles over wages and working conditions to be quite a struggle and they appreciate expressions of support. The fact that mine is motivated (in part) by my own personal legal battle should be irrelevant to you; therefore, I politely suggest that you put me on your ignore list since my sincere form of support doesn't meet with your approval. It's my honest opinion that you'd be much happier that way...

For both the group efforts to obtain wage parity and the individual efforts to achieve fairness in a private matter, I will continue to lend my moral support to those waiting for the wheels of justice to slowly turn in their favor. It is my experience that compassion and a sense of community spirit can make the waiting easier. To everyone fighting: Have faith in the rightness of your cause and don't give up. Good Luck!

Standing by my post,
Netjetwife

 

[Diesel]

. I now know how misplaced trust can be, and unfortunately, many frac pilots have learned the same hard lesson. Thus, the vast majority (union and non-union alike) have experience with being deliberately stalled. Although I'm not a pilot I can definitely relate with having to deal with that and it is easy for me to sympathize with how discouraging it can be. So I join others who post here to try to warn the pilots who persist in blindly following morally bankrupt officials even in the face of broken promises.

Thats where these two situations are so different they aren't even on the same planet. Contract negotiations are just business. Thats all. Nothing else. Being able to seperate yourself from emotional responses is what makes us professionals. We have ice water in our veins when it comes to this stuff.

Calling MGMT morally bankrupt is wrong, and no matter how many stories you hear or have people PM you, you have no place in saying that. There are a lot of good people upstairs who try to do the best with what they have. While I may disagree with a lot of them and their opinions, I realize they are trying to do what they think is best. What I think is best sometimes is different.

I realize that the murder of a loved one seems surreal to many, (I know of 3 NJA pilots who faced this loss though) but then I bet many aviation families never thought they'd be the direct victims of corporate greed, either.

Whoooah what? Corporate greed? You have proof because by all means call the bk number (no not burgerking) and tell them that you saw lights in the watergate hotel. I'm amazed that you could even link the two in the same sentence.

My point is this- Fine be the cheerleader for us to get higher wages (which by the way can't happen till the new contract) but think twice about comparing your husbands struggle at NJ to a family members muder.

While I don't agree with a lot of what happens, and I definetly don't sugar coat it, terms like corporate Greed and moral bankruptcy has no real place when describing NJ.

I respectfully request you edit your post.