Netjet Profit 143 million

[FamilyGuy]

Huh?

Wolfpack,

you couldnt be more INcorrect. Yes 1108 did get us more money and a better schedule ect. But they have also been the spearhead in alot of cost savings, from ideas on crewfood to proper scheduling of pilots to not pay overtime.

So now the union was spearheading the efforts on crew food?

If that's the case, then why all the bitching about crew food on these boards?

Stop drinking the kool-aid. Crew meals are what keep the airplanes moving and keep the cash rolling in all day. The crew meals suck period! Quality and quantity are way down. Looking forward to a side salad with your meal? you will get some lettuce stuffed into a water cooler sized dixie cup. Some of the stuff isn't safe for human consumption. Lots of cases where there have been moldy food or spoiled food because it sits at the caterers for weeks on end. But hey, that's what you get when you only pay a caterer $10 for breakfast, $15 for lunch, and $20 for dinner. Did I mention that delivery is included? What kind of quality do you think we are getting when the caterers are taking a hit just for doing business with Netjets? Stevies on the West coast is losing big bucks on us. It's not only our food, but the customers food as well that is looking bad.

If you want a good meal you have to order two or three selections at a time, and it is not just for a decent selection, it is to keep from going hungry. If one meal sucks you have a nalternate to get you through to the next leg to order yet another two or three meals.

Yeah great, another bean counter figured out a way to save a few pennies. This business is all about customer care, that was thrown out the window with the new contract. Funny thing is that a bean counter can't figure out that the company really does need to take care of the pilots in order to keep the planes moving. When we start to park them and go get a decent meal then maybe they will figure it out.

We can thank Dick for the food fiasco. Those in the know know whom I am talking about.

 

[learflyer]

The most highly trained pilots in the industry that NetJets created back in 1964. People pay a premium here to get premium service and flexability in a 14+ type, 400+ A/C fleet. Add to the fact that people like to go with a winner doesn't hurt the cause either. It is what it is and it is only going to get better.imp:

Are u saying that Netjets pilots are the most highly trained pilots?

 

[FamilyGuy]

A better way to describe IBT 1108s effect on profits is better done by the statement, "A union has allowed the company to waste less money on inefficiencies in spite of it's (NJAs) own incompetence."

What??

I'll let you split hairs on the retro/signing bonus description, but the above statement goes beyond the pale.

An organization who just 18 months ago was encouraging its members to write planes up, break equipment, DNIF, and anything else you can think of to inflict financial pain on the company so that you can pressure them to cave into your demands can not make an audacious claim like that.

A better description of the union's effect on profits would be "we resumed performing our duties and allowed the business model to generate the profits it was designed to do from the beginning, instead of throwing wrenches in the gears to show our frustration"

It isn't a question of how much money was made. The same amount will be made by revenue opportunities. Waste... waste (expenses) is the key here.

This is very true.

Future profits will be tied to our ability to wring more waste out of the system.

 

[fischman]

An organization who just 18 months ago was encouraging its members to write planes up, break equipment, DNIF, and anything else you can think of to inflict financial pain on the company so that you can pressure them to cave into your demands can not make an audacious claim like that.

A better description of the union's effect on profits would be "we resumed performing our duties and allowed the business model to generate the profits it was designed to do from the beginning, instead of throwing wrenches in the gears to show our frustration"

First off, IBT 1108 never encouraged pilots to intentionally break NJA aircraft. That would be both unprofessional and immoral. We did what we were told to do in the FOM by writing up broken items on the aircraft when we found them. Just like we still do. It is our job to keep aircraft looking and flying great.


Secondly, IBT 1108 never encouraged pilots to abuse the DNIF system.

We "resumed" our duties? Help me out here... Did anybody stop performing our duties? I didn't. I did what I was told. To the letter...

 

[RNObased]

What??

An organization who just 18 months ago was encouraging its members to write planes up, break equipment, DNIF, and anything else you can think of to inflict financial pain on the company so that you can pressure them to cave into your demands can not make an audacious claim like that.

A better description of the union's effect on profits would be "we resumed performing our duties and allowed the business model to generate the profits it was designed to do from the beginning, instead of throwing wrenches in the gears to show our frustration"

Family Guy,
Paint it anyway you want to, I'm sure YOU would have issues if YOU talked to someone for FOUR years and they didn't listen. Maybe you would even resort to trying to get their attention???

The business model would work even better if someone would get their hands around some of the willy-nilly ferrying and other crap that goes on. Maybe you can pass this little information along to someone in CMH, JET FUEL COSTS MONEY. The way they do stuff I don't believe they know that.

 

[netjetwife]

FG, not only do I agree with FL22, but I can point to an excellent example--the overhaul of the training dept which has been led by the Union Training Committee. The company expects to save millions when all of the new programs (primarily designed by the UTC) are implemented. The UTC Chairman is immensely respected by members of upper management because of his ability to help them solve problems and improve the training program, which they recognize was clearly inefficient. That's not an "audacious claim" it's a fact. Here's another--NJA could have saved even more training dollars had they began work on the overhaul much earlier, but they were too busy fighting the pilots instead of working with them. The 2005 CBA established joint Union-Management committees to work on improving efficiency and productivity and the plan to redesign training to save millions was formulated in that cooperative spirit.

Additionally, I hardly think my husband is the only pilot who points out to the schedulers a more efficient operation when he sees that their plan isn't the best one based on the facts of the situation as he knows them to be from being there firsthand.

Furthermore, there was definitely a big difference, dollar-wise, between true Retro pay and the signing bonus. For some pilots it was a substantial loss so to define the difference as "splitting hairs"...is just...well...beyond the pale. Yes, I do think that the pilots who lost so much they considered the signing bonus a "slap in the face" (a quote I heard repeatedly) would find your downplaying of their contribution to the company coffers offensive. Please give credit where credit is due. NJW

 

[gunfyter]

Ahhh..

Wouldn't we all be better off without dredging up the past and concentrate on the Future $250M profit we will achieve in 2007?

 

[netjetwife]

Yes sir.... Don't I get partial credit for talking about joint efforts to save money... That is thinking optimistically, isn't it? The money not wasted on inefficiency will add to the profit margin, will it not?

I dare say, Gunfyter, we'll all be pleased should your financial prediction prove true.

 

[learflyer]

Like someone mentioned before, this is the same company that was bad-mouthed just a couple short years ago. I'm glad you have your contract, and wish you the best in the future, but please stop with the azz kissing! Sheesh! I'm waiting for someone to say "management mended me a sweater with thier nosehair" or something like that! <<<now that is some funny stuff!

 

[gunfyter]

Pumba,

Sometimes you gotta leave your past behind you.

Fact is... excluding F/A-18's out of Beaufort, SC or Miramar, CA... This is now the best job in Aviation.