Net Jets Future

[flydaddy0499]

Someone must be skimming some money somewhere if Netjets can't pay decent salaries for pilots.

Weren't there some fellas down in Houston got in trouble for the same thing; something about cooking the books and wholesale energy trading.

I also think the previous post is right about calling AIN. They are a good group of journalists (if there is such a thing) and wouldn't mind putting out an expose'.

...just a thought...

flydaddy0499

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Why don't some of you guys affected by this contact AIN and let them know?
Just a thought.


www.ainonline.com

They're probably on the pay roll. I remember prior to coming here the pilots voted down the current contract. AIN wasn't the least bit sympathetic. They had an editorial that gave a twisted history of ALPA and Benenke and then they said "look what their GIV pilots make, that's reasonable." Problem is, contract didn't concern GIV pilots.

If you think hard enough, you'll probably be able to come up with some others notable events that never made it into AIN

 

[Publishers]

Ta

While not being familiar with the offer, the unique aspect of this area of the industry must be examined.

The health of Netjets is related to their ability to continue to sell new people shares, dispose of old aircraft, and to keep the dead head part of flying lower.

The economics of this business are all together different than airlines, charter, cargo, or other busnesses. Make sure you understand the nature of what is proposed.

 

[Diesel]

hey publisher why don't you go back and crawl back under your rock.

Who gives a flying fart if this type of economic model is different from the airlines.

We are in a fight to make a better life for ourselves. It's not my job to run the company for them. If i wanted to do that I would have become you and nitpicked at everything that we are trying to gain.

This TA is a POS. What this company doesn't realize is if they paid us a good wage that is nbaa standard we could save them 10 times that in waste.

Want me to ferry 6hrs across the country to cali pick up a trip? Even when I know my buddy is sitting one airport over from cali on hot stby and would love to get out of the crap fbo? Sure no problem. I'll be right there.

If I was FAIRLY compensated I would be a little more pro active. Until then I do what they tell me legaly and SAFELY.

 

[Live4flyng]

I understand the business

While not being familiar with the offer, the unique aspect of this area of the industry must be examined.

The health of Netjets is related to their ability to continue to sell new people shares, dispose of old aircraft, and to keep the dead head part of flying lower.

The economics of this business are all together different than airlines, charter, cargo, or other busnesses. Make sure you understand the nature of what is proposed.

Must be management.

Something is definately not right at NJA. I smell a big acquisition, merger, buyout or whatever you want to call it about to happen. Seems management and the union both would love this TA to pass so the plans can move forward.

 

[Clemdog]

Can someone explain the non-contract G-IV side?

I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem

You are going to interview and you don't no for which company??? But of course they will hire you....

 

[Udonche]

" I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem"

Evil twin indeed@!

 

[Live4flyng]

about to become.....MEDIEVAL


You are perfect for the non evil side.

 

[CatYaaak]

hey publisher why don't you go back and crawl back under your rock.

Who gives a flying fart if this type of economic model is different from the airlines.

We are in a fight to make a better life for ourselves. It's not my job to run the company for them. If i wanted to do that I would have become you and nitpicked at everything that we are trying to gain.

This TA is a POS. What this company doesn't realize is if they paid us a good wage that is nbaa standard we could save them 10 times that in waste.
QUOTE]

What's NBAA's salary "standard" for fractional companies? YOU guys SET the standard.....you just set it too low for your liking now, but the fact is, you set it when you took a job paying POS wages combined with PFT (in the past)/training contracts in the hopes that someday..some way...a union would make everything all better. You're just trying to clean up your own mess...I hope you succeed, btw. Your pilot group is seeng the light about 12 years too late, but at least you're seeing it now.

But I can't imagine that you'd be speaking of the NBAA standard as it applies to coporate pilot pay since you're not corporate pilots.

 

[Live4flyng]

But I can't imagine that you'd be speaking of the NBAA standard as it applies to coporate pilot pay since you're not corporate pilots.

You are right about that, Fractional flying is much more demanding.

 

[CatYaaak]

You are right about that, Fractional flying is much more demanding.

Keep telling yourself that....it's essential to maintain that "I'm-so-persecuted-let's-gird-up-for-the-fight Martyr Syndome".

 

[CatYaaak]

All civilian flying sucks.

Get real. You are a BellBoy with wings, nothing more.

It is what it is, and there are all sorts of civilian flying...civilian and "civilian"... but if you think it all sucks so badly, then quit. Personally, I like my job. Good pay, great time off, and go to interesting places.

 

[COEX-FO]

3Wire,

He said, "don't believe everything you hear. We have an excellent relationship with our pilots". I said, "I thought you said not to believe everything I hear?"

Great comback! One of the best I ever heard!!

 

[CatYaaak]

GF,

CatYaaak will never understand. You're wasting your time.

And you are correct...the actual civilian "flying" sucks when compared to military.

Well, since it's now clear GF's statement was a relative one, I'd have to imagine that's true to a certain extent. That's what I was thinking 20 years ago when I got the NAMI whammy down in Pensacola.

Of course, I guess I could have followed 2 of my friends who got it too and went on to the Air Force (they allowed..and encouraged... squinting at that eye chart), but I'd grown up around too many AFBs to find it appealing (why increase your chances of ending up in a place like Mindrot?), and besides, is there anything in the entire USAF inventory besides an A-10 and it's mission worth flying? I can't help but thinking the worst day flying, say, a Cod in the Navy would be better than the best day in one of those chick F-16s the Air Force has or droning around in a military King Air . So to each their own.

Last winter in the Gulf I had the privilege of buying a few rounds of drinks for a group of Hornet pilots who had invited me to their squadron party while they had a few days of leave onshore after pulling long weeks over Iraq. A finer group of young guys you'd never meet, and I agree, they undoubtedly have THE best job in the world and everything would suck compared to what they are doing.

But if you don't like civilian flying, why don't you get into "civilian" flying? Quite a few good contracting jobs these days overseas. Depending on what your past military gig was like, you might even find it more exciting than it was. It will certainly pay better than what you're doing now, with the additional bonus of having far fewer rules and regs than you dealt with in the AF. In some ways it's the best of both worlds. Sorry though, no unions.

 

[MovingTarget]

Shack CatYaaak

I couldn't resist this one.

Gunfyter, a rotor head saying he's too old to fly "tactical". Ooooooooooo, thumping around at 100 knots--real scary. If you're too old for that, maybe you should be at Walmart welcoming people at the front door.

Griz, with AF trainers and prop-driven trash-haulers on his resume whimpering about missing "military" flying. LMAO guy. Good one. Perhaps if you didn't graduate at the bottom of your UPT class, you'd have had some good flying to miss.

Sorry guys. This didn't further the discussion, but I just couldn't resist.

 

[cgmason1]

I couldn't resist this one.

Gunfyter, a rotor head saying he's too old to fly "tactical". Ooooooooooo, thumping around at 100 knots--real scary. If you're too old for that, maybe you should be at Walmart welcoming people at the front door.

Sorry guys. I'm really sorry. This didn't further the discussion, but I just couldn't resist.

Sorry but with that statement you just pointed out the fact that you know two things about military helicopter flying--jack and shat.
Military helo missions are primarily at night, NVG's, Nap of the earth(20ft or lower not 50ft or higher), fighting down in the mix not above it.

Fly Safe
Chuck

 

[MovingTarget]

Ooooooooo,

Whaap, whaap, whaap...

 

[MovingTarget]

gunfyter,

I see I touched a nerve. (I've heard pea-nus envy can cause that). Sorry. My good-humored post did come off a bit mean-spirited. I just couldn't resist poking a little fun at the ex-support types missing "tactical" flying. I sincerely respect, appreciate and am grateful for all who served, especially the support types. As for your question about my UPT experience, I did quite well thank you. Thanks to great instructors and fine equipment, I graduated high in my classs and got the fighter of my choice. That was long, long ago and I should have left picking at trash-haulers and rotor heads behind with my helmet bag. Sorry. I'll behave better in the future. But now we are all doing the same thing as was so well posted earlier: "Bellboys with wings." Got a good chuckle out of that one.

No hard feelings intended and see you out on the road.

 

[dime line]

Yo Griz....when are you guys gonna get it, Your not under uncle sams care anymore.

Gunfyter said it best.......
"I'd laugh too except my wife's cousin is a Bellman at a SAT resort and makes more than the FO's I fly with."

That is the problem here. Not who flew what in the military, and whose plane is better. And Yes I was in the squadron next to gunfyter.