Net Jets Future

[Pugnacious G]

Cosmo is my hero

Cosmo,

You definitely made the right decision. I applaud your self respect. I'm about to start 8th year pay as a Falcon Captain and I now must plan, for my family's sake, to start over elsewhere. This TA is such an insult. I'm in shock that I remained optimistic for so long. I can't recommend NJA to anyone at this point. No matter what happens with this TA there will be poor labor relations here for years.

"Vote NO, it's all we have left"

 

[been-there]

Once word gets out to the owners that this place is a shell game, watch out.
Can you say graveyard spiral. According to some, NetJets will go out of business in 2 years if this concessionary contract doesn't get signed. NetJets is like an onion, layers upon layers of lies and deceit.

WATCH OUT>

 

[Lord Wakefield]

According to some , NetJets will go out of business in 2 years if this concessionary contract doesn't get signed.

According to who? I've never been as sure of our stability as "some", and I still don't know how we make money but this may never make the news.
Company never gets bad press. Not sure why, but they never do.

Who's gonna monitor this vote since both sides want it to pass?

 

[PilotGuy]

Bad Press

Why don't some of you guys affected by this contact AIN and let them know?
Just a thought.

Fair is fair and what you guys are being offered doesn't sound fair.

www.ainonline.com

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

Going out of business is a good thing sometimes...

But its not going to happen to NJA.......

 

[flydaddy0499]

Someone must be skimming some money somewhere if Netjets can't pay decent salaries for pilots.

Weren't there some fellas down in Houston got in trouble for the same thing; something about cooking the books and wholesale energy trading.

I also think the previous post is right about calling AIN. They are a good group of journalists (if there is such a thing) and wouldn't mind putting out an expose'.

...just a thought...

flydaddy0499

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Why don't some of you guys affected by this contact AIN and let them know?
Just a thought.


www.ainonline.com

They're probably on the pay roll. I remember prior to coming here the pilots voted down the current contract. AIN wasn't the least bit sympathetic. They had an editorial that gave a twisted history of ALPA and Benenke and then they said "look what their GIV pilots make, that's reasonable." Problem is, contract didn't concern GIV pilots.

If you think hard enough, you'll probably be able to come up with some others notable events that never made it into AIN

 

[Publishers]

Ta

While not being familiar with the offer, the unique aspect of this area of the industry must be examined.

The health of Netjets is related to their ability to continue to sell new people shares, dispose of old aircraft, and to keep the dead head part of flying lower.

The economics of this business are all together different than airlines, charter, cargo, or other busnesses. Make sure you understand the nature of what is proposed.

 

[Diesel]

hey publisher why don't you go back and crawl back under your rock.

Who gives a flying fart if this type of economic model is different from the airlines.

We are in a fight to make a better life for ourselves. It's not my job to run the company for them. If i wanted to do that I would have become you and nitpicked at everything that we are trying to gain.

This TA is a POS. What this company doesn't realize is if they paid us a good wage that is nbaa standard we could save them 10 times that in waste.

Want me to ferry 6hrs across the country to cali pick up a trip? Even when I know my buddy is sitting one airport over from cali on hot stby and would love to get out of the crap fbo? Sure no problem. I'll be right there.

If I was FAIRLY compensated I would be a little more pro active. Until then I do what they tell me legaly and SAFELY.

 

[Live4flyng]

I understand the business

While not being familiar with the offer, the unique aspect of this area of the industry must be examined.

The health of Netjets is related to their ability to continue to sell new people shares, dispose of old aircraft, and to keep the dead head part of flying lower.

The economics of this business are all together different than airlines, charter, cargo, or other busnesses. Make sure you understand the nature of what is proposed.

Must be management.

Something is definately not right at NJA. I smell a big acquisition, merger, buyout or whatever you want to call it about to happen. Seems management and the union both would love this TA to pass so the plans can move forward.

 

[Clemdog]

Can someone explain the non-contract G-IV side?

I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem

You are going to interview and you don't no for which company??? But of course they will hire you....

 

[Udonche]

" I understand that NetJets has two sides, the well treated, well paid, non-contract Gulfstream flying side, and the evil twin low paid contract side flying everything else.

Whats the realk scoop?

Also..I have an interview scheduled for October...are all the interviews for the evil twin?

Clem"

Evil twin indeed@!

 

[Live4flyng]

about to become.....MEDIEVAL


You are perfect for the non evil side.

 

[CatYaaak]

hey publisher why don't you go back and crawl back under your rock.

Who gives a flying fart if this type of economic model is different from the airlines.

We are in a fight to make a better life for ourselves. It's not my job to run the company for them. If i wanted to do that I would have become you and nitpicked at everything that we are trying to gain.

This TA is a POS. What this company doesn't realize is if they paid us a good wage that is nbaa standard we could save them 10 times that in waste.
QUOTE]

What's NBAA's salary "standard" for fractional companies? YOU guys SET the standard.....you just set it too low for your liking now, but the fact is, you set it when you took a job paying POS wages combined with PFT (in the past)/training contracts in the hopes that someday..some way...a union would make everything all better. You're just trying to clean up your own mess...I hope you succeed, btw. Your pilot group is seeng the light about 12 years too late, but at least you're seeing it now.

But I can't imagine that you'd be speaking of the NBAA standard as it applies to coporate pilot pay since you're not corporate pilots.