Net Aircraft Gain/Loss at Skyw inc

[twott driver]

It's difficult to keep track of what we're losing and what we're getting.

Have I got these numbers straight, or am I missing some

Delta TA: Gaining 34 Cr7/9, losing 66 Cr2 for a net loss of 28 aircraft
Eagle: 23 Cr2 for LAX and DFW

So total loss of 5 Cr2's at this point, and 16 of the 34 CR7/9's still not officially awarded to either XJT or SKYW?

 

[gator_hater]

Sounds about right, I wouldn't worry about the net loss of 5 if the 16 900's get split evenly. Attrition and a higher crew ratio should solve the problem of 2.5 rjs. Yet to be determined are the allocation and timing, both big factors.

 

[ASApuppy]

All 16 of those 900's are already based in ATL. Who knows how Delta will reshuffle the entire fleet, but that is their starting point. Wonder if all the ex-ASA mechanics that went to Pinnicle will come back? Also, we have carried a silly amount of surplus pilots on the 700/900 side. Even the time w************************* are having a hard time breaking guarantee. If we do get them at same time AMR thing starts, that is going to make one interesting bid. It's funny how much of a big deal these position notices have become. I remember when they came out monthly.

 

[bigshooter107]

All 16 of those 900's are already based in ATL. Who knows how Delta will reshuffle the entire fleet, but that is their starting point. Wonder if all the ex-ASA mechanics that went to Pinnicle will come back? Also, we have carried a silly amount of surplus pilots on the 700/900 side. Even the time w************************* are having a hard time breaking guarantee. If we do get them at same time AMR thing starts, that is going to make one interesting bid. It's funny how much of a big deal these position notices have become. I remember when they came out monthly.

No longer fat on 700/900 capt reserves... Couple days of zero coverage because of the increase in DTW.

 

[Ops check good]

So total loss of 5 Cr2's at this point

5 a/c can easily be absorbed throughout the system as spares. There will be no loss.

 

[amcnd]

Wait tell next summer to figure this out... Still alot to play out. The Delta TA, 70 900's and AA larger scope planes its seems are out for RFP soon (AMR's term sheet sent out yesterday)...

 

[twott driver]

No longer fat on 700/900 capt reserves... Couple days of zero coverage because of the increase in DTW.

Dont know what you're looking at, but there are definitely no days with zero coverage this month. Looks pretty well covered to me.

 

[bigshooter107]

Dont know what you're looking at, but there are definitely no days with zero coverage this month. Looks pretty well covered to me.

Yesterday every 700/capt Available was working by morning. Guys are doing OE on the 200, and sim training. The glitch will be fixed in October.

 

[bigshooter107]

Today there is only one capt available, 7:00 pm reserve start period. Everyone else is working, training or off...

 

[Data]

Today there is only one capt available, 7:00 pm reserve start period. Everyone else is working, training or off...

And his last day is on the 20th!

 

[twott driver]

Indeed it is! That behavior should be encouraged and praised.... moving on up.....

 

[probablecause]

Hmm, well that makes for them being three ATL CR7 reserve captains short now. Two leaving the company and the other going out on medical.

 

[bigshooter107]

We will go from super fat on Capts to offering 300% in October. Do u know which airline he is going too? I know we lost one guy to scare ways..

 

[urflyingme?!]

5 a/c can easily be absorbed throughout the system as spares. There will be no loss.

Except for enough flying for 50 pilots. AKA 5 aircraft. A LOSS of 5 aircraft. ********************, if Chip said sh!t tastes great some of us would say, "No it tastes WONDERFULL!"

 

[spudskier]

Yesterday every 700/capt Available was working by morning. Guys are doing OE on the 200, and sim training. The glitch will be fixed in October.

It's because they have had multiple meltdown days on the 700 in terms of MX. These things have been breaking a LOT lately. So much so that it's destroying IOE training. Scheduling is playing crash-up cars with everyone's schedule giving no regard for training. They're screwing themselves and it's nice just to sit back and watch the fireworks for once. I have a feeling we'll be back to a normal level of understaffedness by October. Well, and that'll only last for a month or so as people keep leaving (good for them, I'm jealous)

 

[Ops check good]

Except for enough flying for 50 pilots. AKA 5 aircraft.

Everyone is always so negative. You should just be happy that a new home was set in place for some of the displaced 200's. If you want to be so angry about it direct it at DL, they are the ones that decided they didnt like the 200's any longer. How many pilots, FA's and mechanics would have been put out if they just parked the planes? But I suppose the easy way out is to get pi$$ed and complain about management.

 

[russtgol]

Except for enough flying for 50 pilots. AKA 5 aircraft. A LOSS of 5 aircraft. ********************, if Chip said sh!t tastes great some of us would say, "No it tastes WONDERFULL!"

Funny that everyone wants mainline to take back the flying but then you lose 5 A/C and cry a river. Can't have it both ways scooter..

 

[Nevets]

It's difficult to keep track of what we're losing and what we're getting.

Have I got these numbers straight, or am I missing some

Delta TA: Gaining 34 Cr7/9, losing 66 Cr2 for a net loss of 28 aircraft
Eagle: 23 Cr2 for LAX and DFW

So total loss of 5 Cr2's at this point, and 16 of the 34 CR7/9's still not officially awarded to either XJT or SKYW?

Just to add, 25 of the 66 belong to Inc. I'm positive that the 23 were sourced from those 25. They'll probably use the remaining 2 as spares. So it's probably really a loss of 3 aircraft.

 

[centralpilot]

It's difficult to keep track of what we're losing and what we're getting.

Have I got these numbers straight, or am I missing some

Delta TA: Gaining 34 Cr7/9, losing 66 Cr2 for a net loss of 28 aircraft
Eagle: 23 Cr2 for LAX and DFW

So total loss of 5 Cr2's at this point, and 16 of the 34 CR7/9's still not officially awarded to either XJT or SKYW?

At the risk of doing math in public I must confess that I'm not following you here. +34 -66 is a net loss of 32, not 28. The addition (or retention really) of 23 CR2s brings us to a projected net loss of 9 CR2s between now and 2015, unless I'm leaving something out.

 

[cbrown1]

So where are the aircraft coming from? There is still the matter of Skywest and Expressjet not being on the same list.

Are those 28 a/c coming from skywest or expressjet or split between the two?

 

[centralpilot]

So where are the aircraft coming from? There is still the matter of Skywest and Expressjet not being on the same list.

Are those 28 a/c coming from skywest or expressjet or split between the two?

11 XJT CR2s & 12 SkyWest CR2s transfer from DL to AA contracts. That leaves 43 CR2 subtractions (SkyWest still owns 2 though) by 2015; No clue if it will be split evenly or not.

18 of the 34 new DL CR7/9s have been placed, 9 at XJT and 9 at SkyWest. That leaves 16 more to be placed; no clue if it will be split evenly or not.

The fairest scenario (and the pattern established thus far) would be evenly split additions and subtractions so that each airline is -4 or 5 aircraft when everything plays out. The worst case scenario is one side adding all 16 remaining CR7/9s while the other subtracts all 41-43 CR2s. Obviously if we get anything close to the latter scenario there will be significant labor strife at one of the airlines, which I imagine Inc would like to avoid right now. It would also cause costly hiring/training/furloughing at both airlines. Hopefully this will become clearer soon.

 

[Ops check good]

None of us know which side of the company is going to gain/lose A/C yet. What is well known is that "inc" is always going to do what is best for the airline that has its name in front of "inc".

 

[Freebrd]

t "inc" is always going to do what is best for the airline that has its name in front of "inc".

dunno about that Ops, that recent Denver meeting may mean something different eventually, I'm sure the parties (ALPA etc) are restricted by secret handshake agreements. Still probally best regional to be at because of mainline sellouts like JennyLeigh (aka Mike Boyd, RJ expert).

 

[Nevets]

None of us know which side of the company is going to gain/lose A/C yet. What is well known is that "inc" is always going to do what is best for the airline that has its name in front of "inc".

They will do what's best for the stockholders.

 

[ASADriver]

They will do what's best for the stockholders.

As they should. I bought a lot of stock between $8 and $6 and I hope it keeps going up. My money is on Jerry.

 

[Nevets]

As they should. I bought a lot of stock between $8 and $6 and I hope it keeps going up. My money is on Jerry.

Yes, he should. That's what he is paid for. Just pointing out that it's not because "inc" is always going to do what is best for the airline that has its name in front of "inc".

 

[Ops check good]

that recent Denver meeting may mean something different eventually

Dont get your hopes up for anything, that meeting was probably just to let all involved know about the new AMR partnership.

 

[russtgol]

So where is this whipsaw that you all cry about?

 

[Nevets]

So where is this whipsaw that you all cry about?

All around you. You are within it. You are part of it. Probably why you don't see it.

 

[JoeMerchant]

All around you. You are within it. You are part of it. Probably why you don't see it.

In other industries it's simply called "competition". We are competing with each other for a shrinking piece of the pie. ALPA could have done things years ago to minimize this "competition", but they chose to ignore the problem until it was really too late to fix it....Now we compete....