Need some Virgin America Info...

[Golden Falcon]

Where did you get the attitude Fujackbar?? Gulfstream? or when mommy and daddy paid for ERAU? or at Mesa..explain?? Your own younions at your purported major airlines has dragged the industry down with concessions....dont blame it on the bottom feeders....

 

[cmrflyer]

VA is Virgin Atlantic, doosh. BTW, they make about 2/3rds what BA makes. Anyone who works for Sir Dick is an idiot.

Fubi, again you show your unbelievable knowledge of everything.

VX is virgin america
VS is virgin atlantic

 

[FurloughedAgain]

You are truly not going to change anyone's mind with aggressive posts filled with obscenity and vitriol. Makes you sound like a union thug.

More flies with honey and whatnot. Make your points politely and provide references and let your readers decide for themselves.

This is not the first generation of pilots to face these challenges. When I started out in the industry the same battle was waged but with the RJ rather than an LCC model. More and more 50 seat jets darkened the sky as Bac1-11s, DC9s, F28s, and other narrow body mainline fleets (and their associated jobs) disappeared. Sadly, ALPA was no help as they were required to represent the best interests of all pilot groups involved rather than those that would defend the profession.

My point is that the anger here is misplaced and ineffective. All this has happened before and will happen again. So my advice? Have some eggnog. Enjoy time with the family. And come back calm, mature, and ready to share a professional dialogue on a topic that you are obviously passionate about.

Happy New Year!

-FurloughedAgain

 

[Lake Alice]

Scope has worked so well at Delta, United, Northwest, American, etc. Scope doesn't work when ALPA gives it away, which has been their history.

How about asking the TWA pilots how well their merger protection worked? How about the USAir/America West guys - ALPA sure made sure their merger went well.

Try and keep up. TWA received a 52% staple while on the verge of liquidating. Mckaskill/Bond suggest a 50% staple based on sections 3,13 of Alegheny/Mohawk while NOT in bankruptcy. USair/America west was decided by an arbitrator.

Your comment is based on false rhetoric and innuendo JetBlue mailed out during he campaign.

 

[Lake Alice]

You didn't answer my question. So I'll repeat it for you. First I don't work for Virgin, but explain to me how their pay is dragging the industry down when it is better then Usairways and on par with United. Maybe I'm missing something.

Yes. You're absolutely clueless.

When you have a chance compare united/usairs medical, STD/LTD, sick bank, vacation bank, 401K, B fund to Virgin America. Take a look at that info and get back to me.
What airlines like Virgin/Jetblue believe is patting someone on the back, having cookouts on the 4th of July or giving you the opportunity to name a plane are somehow and acceptable replacement for pay and benefits.

 

[Fubijaakr]

All I need to do is let Lake Alice post. He knows first hand the problems caused by low pay non-union companies.

 

[NEDude]

Ok,once and for all I'm going to TRY to put this in terms that even a 4th grader can understand.

You currently work for QX CA rates. When I start Section 6 negotiations this summer, my management will attempt to drive down my rates to match yours.

What about that can't you understand?

What is it about you that cannot grasp the concept of pay rates? Nobody at VX works for Horizon pay RATES. There may be some who work for Horizon captain pay, but that is different than pay rates. There are pilots at Alaska who are working for less than Horizon Captain pay as well.

When Southwest management goes to their pilots for pay cuts, they are going to use Alaska pay rates, and every other ALPA carrier that pays less than Southwest. You will be used as leverage to drive down pay at Southwest. So I am bad because you think your management will use my rates to drive down yours, but give yourself a free pass when your rates will be used to drive down some other companies wage. Hypocrite...

 

[Fubijaakr]

Hey, Idiot. The only rate that matters is the Captain rate. All the other rates are driven from that.

YOU ARE FLYING TODAY for Regional Pay rates. Period.

Oh, and by the way, its YOUR rate that Gary Kelly is eyeing, not mine. So, wrong again, Scumbag.

 

[Lake Alice]

Has Swa changed their pay rates? No! Will they change their pay rates? Historically speaking no. Your hypothetical rationalizing for your pathetic pay rate is an irrational argument. Your management, much like Jetblues, have some how force fed this Marxist socialist mentality that paying for your own insurance while on disabilityis some how acceptable while our cohorts at Delta with Newtonian anger would bloody their fist at the very thought of such shenanigans. For that matter Swa pilots would do the same and united and Usair and Alaska and American and...(insert airline).

Point being the proverbial line is out the door for pilots waiting for industry depressing jobs like Virgin America and for those of us trying to eek out a living this bottom feeding under belly of start up carriers makes life that much more difficult.

 

[NEDude]

Hey, Idiot. The only rate that matters is the Captain rate. All the other rates are driven from that.

YOU ARE FLYING TODAY for Regional Pay rates. Period.

Oh, and by the way, its YOUR rate that Gary Kelly is eyeing, not mine. So, wrong again, Scumbag.

When your captain rates are the same as Southwest, American and Delta - and not because they were lowered to your pay because of your undercutting - come back and act holier than thou. Until then you are simply a blowhard hypocrite.

 

[NEDude]

Has Swa changed their pay rates? No! Will they change their pay rates? Historically speaking no. Your hypothetical rationalizing for your pathetic pay rate is an irrational argument. Your management, much like Jetblues, have some how force fed this Marxist socialist mentality that paying for your own insurance while on disabilityis some how acceptable while our cohorts at Delta with Newtonian anger would bloody their fist at the very thought of such shenanigans. For that matter Swa pilots would do the same and united and Usair and Alaska and American and...(insert airline).

Point being the proverbial line is out the door for pilots waiting for industry depressing jobs like Virgin America and for those of us trying to eek out a living this bottom feeding under belly of start up carriers makes life that much more difficult.

Another ALPA hypocrite who turns a blind eye to his own massive failings. ALPA sold out this industry by giving away scope, and DALPA lead the charge with that one, yet the ALPA lemmings give themselves a free pass. You are the reason there are no entry level jobs at the legacy carriers. Because of ALPA's massive failings, pilots have two choices, live in poverty flying RJs, or try a start-up or LCC.

Recognize and fix your own failings before preaching to anyone else. Until then you have no credibility.

 

[DHPFLYN]

And there, Ladies and Gentlemen is the viewpoint of the average VX pilot.

Nice job, Azz.

Hey looks like this is the view of a average ****************************** pilot as yourself. Talk about calling the kettle black. As you said nice job Azz

"Sounds an awful lot like you SWA boys want to tell other pilots what to do. If you have to fly underblock to pad your paycheck, TFB. Perhaps you should concentrate less on hurry and more on safety.

That would have kept at least two of your airplanes inside the airport boundary. "
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Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood. - H.L. Mencken

 

[Lake Alice]

Another ALPA hypocrite who turns a blind eye to his own massive failings. ALPA sold out this industry by giving away scope, and DALPA lead the charge with that one, yet the ALPA lemmings give themselves a free pass. You are the reason there are no entry level jobs at the legacy carriers. Because of ALPA's massive failings, pilots have two choices, live in poverty flying RJs, or try a start-up or LCC.

Recognize and fix your own failings before preaching to anyone else. Until then you have no credibility.

I'm just curious what you think a regional carrier pilot should make. But first how does the regional carrier derive it's profits? How is ALPA at fault for a regional carrier salaries?
For Jetblue ALPA is a vehicle to a CBA. It's needed now more than ever. How that makes me a hypocrite...well your going to have to explain that one.

 

[NEDude]

I'm just curious what you think a regional carrier pilot should make. But first how does the regional carrier derive it's profits? How is ALPA at fault for a regional carrier salaries?
For Jetblue ALPA is a vehicle to a CBA. It's needed now more than ever. How that makes me a hypocrite...well your going to have to explain that one.

Regional pilots should make a liveable wage - ie. more than high school dropouts with felony records who deliver pizzas for a living. They should make more than RTA drivers in Cleveland, more than the local elementary school janitor, and more than the government worker who takes their foodstamp applications. ALPA has endorsed and given blessing to these extremely low wages that regional pilots make. In addition ALPA has allowed outsourcing of the entry level jobs at mainline legacy carriers thus reducing opportunities for regional pilots to improve their quality of life.

ALPA has screwed the profession and now wants the people they have screwed to make even more sacrifices for them, while refusing to acknowledge or fix their own mistakes, or make sacrifices of their own. That is what makes you (ALPA collectively) a hypocrite.

If you cannot recognize that, you are beyond hope.

 

[NEDude]

Hey looks like this is the view of a average ****************************** pilot as yourself. Talk about calling the kettle black. As you said nice job Azz

"Sounds an awful lot like you SWA boys want to tell other pilots what to do. If you have to fly underblock to pad your paycheck, TFB. Perhaps you should concentrate less on hurry and more on safety.

That would have kept at least two of your airplanes inside the airport boundary. "
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Any man who afflicts the human race with ideas must be prepared to see them misunderstood. - H.L. Mencken

Yes, because we all know Alaska has always focused on stellar maintenance and never run aircraft off runways due to pilots negligence