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johnpeace

johnpeace

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I am working on a project as an entrepreneurial endeavor that has some data requirements.

One of the first collections of data I need is the list of overnight hotels from each US domestic carrier.

I have the Atlantic Southeast data already, naturally. It's available on my company's intranet.

The only way I can think to gather that data for other airlines is to simply ask crewmembers for those airlines if they can send me the list, copied from their company website. Of course, please don't if it's secret, security sensitive information...it's not at ASA and I can't imagine it would be anywhere else.

I can't share more about the project publicly yet, but would like to develop working relationships with crewmembers at other airlines to help move it forward.

If your inclined and able to help, please shoot me a PM.

Thanks.
 
You're making an app.

You're making an app for the iPhone for pilots.

You're making an app that lists hotel information, photos, and reviews similar to trip advisor but marketed directly towards airline pilots.

Did I guess it?
 
That is usually information that is kept private. Probably not a rule written in a book somewhere, but for the safety and security of flight crews, that information is not given out on a public forum. Not to mention that with most airlines, these hotels change very often. Sometimes daily.
 
PA44Jockey said:
That is usually information that is kept private. Probably not a rule written in a book somewhere, but for the safety and security of flight crews, that information is not given out on a public forum. Not to mention that with most airlines, these hotels change very often. Sometimes daily.
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Yeah, I wouldn't want you to publish it on a public forum.

I'm interested in, from one crewmember to another, seeing YOUR airline's hotel list.

If you'd rather not share it, that's understandable.

Not sure where you work, but at ASA (and I'll assume Skywest as well given that we both use the same hotel acquisition company) they don't change THAT frequently.
 
i would have to agree with jockey, and reccomend not pursuing this security sensitive information...if any of your info got to the public and something happens, lawyers will come after you..
 
johnpeace said:
Yeah, I wouldn't want you to publish it on a public forum.

I'm interested in, from one crewmember to another, seeing YOUR airline's hotel list.

If you'd rather not share it, that's understandable.
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Sending an anonymous person this information to an inbox is really no different than stapling it to a bulletin board. Perhaps if you reveled your true identity to the people you are requesting the information from, you might have better luck. For all the other members on this board know, you could be someone's stalker (probably not, but you never know.) You might also have better luck if you reveled a little more about WHY you want the information. If you still don't see why this is sensitive information, just place a call to each of the airline's Chief pilots and ask them for the information. Please post their reactions here.
 
av8tor76 said:
i would have to agree with jockey, and reccomend not pursuing this security sensitive information...if any of your info got to the public and something happens, lawyers will come after you..
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I don't believe this is security sensitive information.

How does it even compromise anyone's security?

What if I told everyone here, in public, that ASA crews stay at the Crowne Plaza in Romulus on their short DTW layovers?

So what?

Anyway, if you don't want to share yours...don't.

Thanks!
 
OK...I can see this is going in a fairly predictable direction.

Thanks...I'll pursue this from a different direction.
 
Give me a friggen break people. Type "ASA overnights" into Google and click the very first link.
 
Give me a friggen break people.
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I saw it coming...

Not just pilots...FI.com pilots...the worst sort.

Overcomplicate everything and turn every single discussion into a contest to prove who knows more.

Whatever...I think I can work around this.
 
Max Q said:
Give me a friggen break people. Type "ASA overnights" into Google and click the very first link.
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Really dude?

If a person can use Google to access that link, there is a world of information available to them to see what is nearby their hotels. Even with reviews from thousands of people.

The concept is good and it exists to some extent at each airline. Though mostly on paper. Still a good idea to keep the Hotel info on your companies intranet.

I see where he is going with this, and it can be done without hotel specific information. Might as well post the route online that your daughter walks to and from school everyday.
 
av8tor76 said:
i would have to agree with jockey, and reccomend not pursuing this security sensitive information...if any of your info got to the public and something happens, lawyers will come after you..
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Never take legal advice from this guy. He has no idea.
 
PA44Jockey: You're not making your point very clear. It has been stated in this thread that an airline's list of overnights is "security sensitive information" and that, as you put it, is "not given out on a public forum". I just posted a method to easily acquire the entire list of overnights at ASA on a public forum using Google.
 
I see where he is going with this, and it can be done without hotel specific information. Might as well post the route online that your daughter walks to and from school everyday.
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Huh?

Posting the hotel we stay at on our SYR overnight is the same as posting my daughters route to school?

This was a mistake on my part...I admit it.

I retract my request for help.

Thank you.
 
LazyLightnin' said:
aircrewovernight.com has a few.


A search in travelnet will get you Delta's hotels.
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I don't know how valid aircrewovernignt.com's data is...it looks sort of untended.

I didn't think to look at Travelnet for Delta...good idea, thanks.
 
Max Q said:
PA44Jockey: You're not making your point very clear. It has been stated in this thread that an airline's list of overnights is "security sensitive information" and that, as you put it, is "not given out on a public forum". I just posted a method to easily acquire the entire list of overnights at ASA on a public forum using Google.
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Just because you were able to post and direct someone how to do a Google search to find this guys forum, doesn't mean that the guy is not skating a fine line with publishing this information.

Even Travelnet. Look through the terms and conditions of that. You enter a password to access Travelnet for a reason. If they wanted that information readily available on the internet, they would have posted it there.
 
johnpeace said:
It's not.

http://rf-web.tamu.edu/security/security guide/S2unclas/Ssi.htm

SSI is a TSA defined designation that doesn't have a hill-of-beans to do with which hotels flight crewmembers use.
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You don't get it do you man. As I stated in the beginning, this is probably not written in a book. However, out of respect for your co-workers (unless you have none) I wouldn't be putting the info out there. I see that you want to help them and give them good info, but that can be done very easily in-house at each company.
 
Here. I have an idea. I will help you out. You know how you have to login to crewoutfitters and luggageworks.com with your airline and employee number in order to get the crew rates. You should create your site to where a person has to enter their airline and employee number to access it. This might take more work and approval from the airline (I don't know), but at least that way this information doesn't get into the wrong hands.
 
However, out of respect for your co-workers (unless you have none) I wouldn't be putting the info out there. I see that you want to help them and give them good info
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You have no idea, beyond a very vague misunderstanding, of what I'm trying to do or who I'll show the data to.

You also have no idea what 'SSI' actually is and have misapplied it to the list of hotels that an airline uses for it's crew overnights.

Given that...you aren't exactly qualified to decide whether I 'get it' or not.

At any rate, like I said...thanks, but no thanks.

I'll work on this from another angle.
 
johnpeace said:
You have no idea, beyond a very vague misunderstanding, of what I'm trying to do or who I'll show the data to.

You also have no idea what 'SSI' actually is and have misapplied it to the list of hotels that an airline uses for it's crew overnights.

Given that...you aren't exactly qualified to decide whether I 'get it' or not.

At any rate, like I said...thanks, but no thanks.

I'll work on this from another angle.
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I am very well aware of who you are going to give the info to. IT IS ON THE INTERNET under a very basic Google search.

I know exactly what SSI is. I actually hold a current SECRET Clearance. Do you? And I wasn't saying that it was in violation of SSI per the TSA or any governing agency. Just mentioning that it is security sensitive. Meaning to your fellow employees.

And you don't have to be qualified to be a decent human being and show a little respect to the people you work with.
 
Moderator hat on:

Although she likely doesn't have malicious intent, please be very, very careful who you give hotel information to. Some other people might not be asking for reasons that are on the up-and-up.

If she's legitimately looking for something, going through her own carrier's hotel committee to put together this site is likely a much easier (and more highly accurate) way of accomplishing it, although it might take longer to gather the needed data.

Long story short, use your head, and don't give out info you might not want floating out there to people you don't PERSONALLY know. There's proper channels for this sort of thing in the 121 world.

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