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Max Q said:
PA44Jockey: You're not making your point very clear. It has been stated in this thread that an airline's list of overnights is "security sensitive information" and that, as you put it, is "not given out on a public forum". I just posted a method to easily acquire the entire list of overnights at ASA on a public forum using Google.
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Just because you were able to post and direct someone how to do a Google search to find this guys forum, doesn't mean that the guy is not skating a fine line with publishing this information.

Even Travelnet. Look through the terms and conditions of that. You enter a password to access Travelnet for a reason. If they wanted that information readily available on the internet, they would have posted it there.
 
johnpeace said:
It's not.

http://rf-web.tamu.edu/security/security guide/S2unclas/Ssi.htm

SSI is a TSA defined designation that doesn't have a hill-of-beans to do with which hotels flight crewmembers use.
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You don't get it do you man. As I stated in the beginning, this is probably not written in a book. However, out of respect for your co-workers (unless you have none) I wouldn't be putting the info out there. I see that you want to help them and give them good info, but that can be done very easily in-house at each company.
 
Here. I have an idea. I will help you out. You know how you have to login to crewoutfitters and luggageworks.com with your airline and employee number in order to get the crew rates. You should create your site to where a person has to enter their airline and employee number to access it. This might take more work and approval from the airline (I don't know), but at least that way this information doesn't get into the wrong hands.
 
However, out of respect for your co-workers (unless you have none) I wouldn't be putting the info out there. I see that you want to help them and give them good info
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You have no idea, beyond a very vague misunderstanding, of what I'm trying to do or who I'll show the data to.

You also have no idea what 'SSI' actually is and have misapplied it to the list of hotels that an airline uses for it's crew overnights.

Given that...you aren't exactly qualified to decide whether I 'get it' or not.

At any rate, like I said...thanks, but no thanks.

I'll work on this from another angle.
 
johnpeace said:
You have no idea, beyond a very vague misunderstanding, of what I'm trying to do or who I'll show the data to.

You also have no idea what 'SSI' actually is and have misapplied it to the list of hotels that an airline uses for it's crew overnights.

Given that...you aren't exactly qualified to decide whether I 'get it' or not.

At any rate, like I said...thanks, but no thanks.

I'll work on this from another angle.
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I am very well aware of who you are going to give the info to. IT IS ON THE INTERNET under a very basic Google search.

I know exactly what SSI is. I actually hold a current SECRET Clearance. Do you? And I wasn't saying that it was in violation of SSI per the TSA or any governing agency. Just mentioning that it is security sensitive. Meaning to your fellow employees.

And you don't have to be qualified to be a decent human being and show a little respect to the people you work with.
 
Moderator hat on:

Although she likely doesn't have malicious intent, please be very, very careful who you give hotel information to. Some other people might not be asking for reasons that are on the up-and-up.

If she's legitimately looking for something, going through her own carrier's hotel committee to put together this site is likely a much easier (and more highly accurate) way of accomplishing it, although it might take longer to gather the needed data.

Long story short, use your head, and don't give out info you might not want floating out there to people you don't PERSONALLY know. There's proper channels for this sort of thing in the 121 world.

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I am very well aware of who you are going to give the info to. IT IS ON THE INTERNET under a very basic Google search.
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No you don't...and no, it's not.
 
johnpeace said:
Who is she?
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Thought you were, from your post the other day on the sexist/racist Indian pilots thread. Sounded like you were talking about yourself when you were referencing your rights to live your life however you wanted to in regards to women's rights.

If you're not a "she", my apologies, read your post wrong. :beer:
 
This is getting intertaining now....but be careful though, you don't want to end up on double secret probation!!!!
 
A list of an airlines overnight hotels could be useful to nefarious characters...pretty easy to aquire airline manuals left in rooms while you go out to eat, along with Uniforms, ID badges, Keys, logbooks (containing phone numbers/gate codes/computer entries, etc.)

The information might be available if someone were looking on the internet, but why make it easy for them. For all we know, the guy looking for this was Mohammad Atta's room mate in flight school and was supposed to be the 21st Hijacker on 9/11....I know it's a stretch, but how do you really know.

Basic security doctrine is that the less info an enemy has, the harder it is for them to be effective. This is why discussing what time the crew is gonna meet for dinner or room numbers in public is a bad idea too.
 
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rtmcfi said:
Sooo.....Do all of you highly security sensitive folks ride to and from the airport in a van? Do the vans you ride in have the name of the hotel plastered all over it? Do you get on this van in one of the most publicly visible areas (like maybe right outside of baggage claim)?
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That is exactly what I was thinking! Wow its like they think we are escorted by the secret service.
 
A list of an airlines overnight hotels could be useful to nefarious characters...
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It certainly could be.

I'm not sure why, simply because I need the data for a project I'm working on, you and others seem to be jumping to the wrong conclusion that my intent is to publish this data on the internet.

That's not my intent...it's not part of this project and the data would be quite secure and never displayed outwardly to anyone (except me really, as the maintainer of the database).
 
johnpeace said:
That's not my intent...it's not part of this project and the data would be quite secure and never displayed outwardly to anyone (except me really, as the maintainer of the database).
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Oh...well with a guarantee like that on an Internet message board, why would anyone doubt you. I'm sure a devout Muslim Fundamentalist seeking to use the information you are requesting would never claim it was for an innocent purpose just to get the information under false pretenses. I'm sure they would get on here and broadcast that they want to use the information to plan terrorist strikes against flight crews.
 

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