Need Help ASAP!!

[uwochris]

Hey guys,

I may need to fly into NY this Sunday from Canada (London- this is near Toronto). I need to pick up some supplies for the boss from NY. Apart from NYC and LGA, what airports are available for a C152 to land and park there for a day or so? I'm not familiar with NY, and am wondering what options are best.

The addresses of the place I need to go are:

1. 420 Ninth Avenue
New York, NY 10001, USA
Between 33rd & 34th street

2. 50 W 20th Street
(Off 6th Ave)

New York, NY 10011

Would it be easier to just take a commercial flight into LGA and take a cab there??

Thanks for all insight,

Chris.

 

[SiuDude]

Would it be easier to just take a commercial flight into LGA and take a cab there??

Yes... Otherwise, TEB is the closest GA airport to Manhattan.

 

[semperfido]

take an airliner

 

[enigma]

uwochris, you tend to ask very good questions, which leads me to conclude that your are a pretty sharp pilot. A sharp pilot can do this trip. I say do your homework and go for it.

TEB is closest. I've never flown around the area in anything other than a DC9 or a Lear, always IFR, so I've only seen the problems from my side of the fence but I have noticed that their is a LOT of traffic in the area. If you file IFR, don't expect that ATC will seperate you from VFR traffic. You will need to fly their vectors with both eyes outside. I can't tell the number of times I was inbound to reliver airports around NJ and the controller would vector us into the pattern, which happened to already be full. It always worked out, but to be in that airspace doing 200kts in a Lear and worrying about a 70kt Piper was somewhat stressful. I realize that you'll be the 70 knot-er in the scenario, but I add it to remind you that there will be a big mix of aircraft with vastly different speeds in and around the area.

Good Luck,
enigma

 

[uwochris]

Thanks guys (especially you enigma for those kind words!)

Using Microsoft Streets & Trips, it looks like TEB is within 16 miles from the two stores that I need to go; however, I'd imagine that taking a cab from TEB to those stores in NY would take a very long time due to traffic.

At the moment, I have no maps or sectionals. I have flown in the USA once in the past between Michigan and Wisconsin. This is a very short notice trip (I'd leave early Sunday) and need to return the same day. I have never flown into NYC area, and am a little worried about the airspace and restrictions to VFR a/c.

As far as TEB goes, what kind of airport is it? Is it class D? Will they charge me to park my C152 there for a few hours? Parking fees? etc. I just need to figure out if it's cheaper to take an airliner, or to fly there myself (weather permitting).

Thanks again!

Chris.

 

[getonit]

TEB is the closest, I fly in there in a Citation and pay about $150 (i think) for landing and parking. If you want to save some money have the FBO take you to the bus stops which will take you to the port authority. The bus ride is not bad, I would guess 45 minutes, including ride with FBO, to get into the city and it is a lot cheaper.

 

[HiFlyChick]

Hey Chris, I don't know if there's info on fees or not, but here's a link for Teterboro:

www.panynj.gov/aviation/tetframe.HTM

Maybe it was an isolated incident, since I've only been to KTEB a coupla times, but the last time I was filed IFR and was on an approx wide left downwind (being vectored) and they jerked me around for 20 mins. They kept leaving me high and widening me out to put faster jet traffic in underneath me, and I was in a Navajo, so I sure as shootin' wouldn't want to do it in a 152.

What about Islip (Long Island MacArthur)? I've only been to KISP a few times, too, but at least all of those were pleasant...

 

[semperfido]

---go to toronto and hop on a airline that will have you there in a lttle over an hour vs an entire day in a c152 going into some of the densest, complicated airspace in the country (you did say it would be a first). not to mention wx. seems like a no brainer. a c152?-sounds like torture.

 

[ATCER]

TEB would surley be the closest. KFRG out on Long Island would work but the ride to downtown would kill you, it would be an hour with light traffic. ISP is even further. The airspace around TEB is very complex, it puts you right next to EWR, and TEB is just as busy. My $.02 ... if you are IFR certified I would file. Like enigma said, you might get vectored all over the place but you will be talking with ATC and they will prevent you from busting airspace. If you are not IFR I would encourage you to get VFR flight following as you approach the metro area. Again, you'll be talking to someone, you'll have a beacon code, and they can help you get into TEB.

One more thing... the weather for Sunday in NY metro calls for rain and possibe thunderstorms.

 

[yasir1212]

Don't fly into TEB, too expensive and too congested. Either go to KCDW or KMMU. CDW is much cheaper than TEB. MMU is alittle bit pricey as well but better than TEB. CDW is only about 25 min drive from NYC and MMU is about 30-35 mins from the city. Don't even think about landing the 152 at LGA, JFK, EWR, etc.

 

[GravityHater]

hop on a airline that will have you there in a lttle over an hour vs an entire day in a c152 ... seems like a no brainer to me.

Seems like a no brainer to me too except I come to the exact opposite conclusion! I think this person *likes* to fly, and prefers to fly himself.
In that case I would rather spend any amount of time in a light aircraft than battle the airlines, LBP airport traffic and parking, TSA, surely staff, yadda.
Now if there is a time crunch or the weather is iffy, that would change it for anybody.

 

[semperfido]

Seems like a no brainer to me too except I come to the exact opposite conclusion!

that is what makes this country great

 

[soarby007]

I think if I was going in a 150, I'd go to Linden. Better little airplane airport than TEB.

 

[EagleRJ]

Don't limit yourself to taking a cab to where you need to go. It might or might not be the fastest, and it will cost $$$. NYC has excellent public transportation, and it's how most people get around.

Since you're coming from the north, I'd go into one of the airports like HPN or SWF and take the train in. I think both have Customs on the field. The train will be about $14 off-peak/ $19 peak round trip, and will get you to Grand Central Station, where you can catch the subway or bus to where you need to go. They are both busy, but not extremely so. They should be able to fit a 152 in, IFR or VFR. I don't know what their landing fees are like.
You could also take the train in from FRG or ISP, but you would have to cross Long Island Sound, and the airspace in CT is extremely busy.

All the train and subway schedules you would need are here.

Have fun!

 

[uwochris]

Thanks guys!

Unfortunately, it looks like I will not be flying myself in the 152, due to weather forecast and also due to lack of supplies (I couldn't get any sectionals and AFD's in time).

So, my journey begins tonite! I got very little sleep last nite because I was stressed out thinking about flying there myself (all for nothing!). I will be driving to DTW tonite, leaving around midnite. My flight departs DTW at 6:45 am That's not the worst part... I fly from DTW-PHL-LGA. Once I get to LGA, I find my way to the stores and pick up the equipment. Once done, I fly back to DTW the very same day (LGA-PIT-DTW). That's 4 different commercial flights within less than 12 hours!!!! Once I return to DTW, I drive back (about 3 hours) home. I get some sleep, show up to the office in the morning, where I will be flying my mighty 152. I'm sure I will be sick of flying by that point in time!

If all the new supplies work, I will be leaving on an assignment possibly monday/tuesday that will take me from the West coast of Canada, to the East coast, and back to SW Ontario. This will be a very hectic and stressful 2 weeks!

ps- I will be on the following flights (If anyone here is a pilot on them, I'd love to come say hi!)

1. DTW-PHL: US Airways Express (Mesa) flight 2915 (ERJ)
2. PHL-LGA: US Airways Express (Piedmont) flight 3820 (Dash 8)
3. LGA-PIT: US Airways flight 733 (A319)
4. PIT-DTW: Us Airways Express (TSA) flight 3506. (ERJ)

 

[semperfido]

AC700 06:30 07:55 CRJ 0 $286

why didn't ya just take this nonstop out of pearson?

 

[Immelman]

Sorry you didn't get to fly yourself.. I am not sure why people are so freaked out about going into a congested area in a small aircraft? I am on the left coast but have done SF bay/LA/Portland/Reno/Oshkosh myself and it was always fun.. now I know those probably pale in comparison to New York, but hey, its an adventure.

My wife grew up near HPN and since meeting her I have been out there a bunch... if you have to do this trip again in the future I agree about the train -- just get a ride from airport to train station and it takes you right to grand central.

 

[uwochris]

AC700 06:30 07:55 CRJ 0 $286

why didn't ya just take this nonstop out of pearson?

I used cheaptickets.com and I never saw that flight!! It would have been much much easier though.

 

[EagleRJ]

That's an ambitious schedule! I hope it goes off without a hitch! Those are three of the most delay-ridden airports in the Northeast.

Once you are at LGA, do you know how you are going to get into Manhattan?

Expense account:
Contact one of the numerous car companies for a ride. They all drive Lincoln Town Cars and having one at your disposal for a few hours shouldn't cost too much. The drivers are usually more knowledgable and less scary than the yellow cabs. The cabs will probably cost more, too.

No expense account:
Buy a $10 Metrocard at LGA, and then catch the M60 bus out in front of the terminal to Astoria Blvd. Free connection to the N or W train into Manhattan, where you can take a bus or the sidewalk to your destination.

 

[semperfido]

I used cheaptickets.com and I never saw that flight!! It would have been much much easier though.

that's what ya get for being cheap all kidding aside -i just went to air canada website and wha-la