Need advice on what to get..

[Lead Sled]

If the guy does not have long to live he will not want to sit on the west coast for a few days .... maybe a week or more in the winter .... while the winds die down enough to go to HI. You really need an airplane with about 3000nm range to go to HI on regular basis.

He also does not want to sit around while a pile of junk (600, WW, JunkStar ect) sits in the shop because of a MX clitch you did not find until the engines started.

I have seen Astra's and Hawker 800XP's (even a couple of A's) out in HI. They can make it OK but not with out a lot of work and nail biting. We always charted a Falcon 50 to HI when we owned our Astra just for this reason. The airplane was not designed to make the longest over water flight in the world.

Do the guy a favor tell him to get a Falcon 50 and fly it about 200 hours a year mininum. The 50 can do the mission every day and you will be flying the airplane enough to keep it out of the shop (and the crew current).

Sounds like the guy should really charter, however.

What he said.

A G100/SPX will do Hawaii easier than a Astra Classic or SP, but you do have to watch the winds.

As much as I'm cringing as I'm typing this, if he were my friend, I'd hve him call Net Jets. What the heck, he's dying anyway.

'Sled

 

[Dangerkitty]

I would convince him that Lear's are not dangerous. (Where he gets that idea is beyond me.)

Then I would buy a Lear 60.

 

[G100driver]

I would convince him that Lear's are not dangerous. (Where he gets that idea is beyond me.)

Then I would buy a Lear 60.

Well going to HI in a 60 is not exactly not smart

 

[Ill Mitch]

If the guy does not have long to live he will not want to sit on the west coast for a few days .... maybe a week or more in the winter .... while the winds die down enough to go to HI. You really need an airplane with about 3000nm range to go to HI on regular basis.

He also does not want to sit around while a pile of junk (600, WW, JunkStar ect) sits in the shop because of a MX clitch you did not find until the engines started.

I have seen Astra's and Hawker 800XP's (even a couple of A's) out in HI. They can make it OK but not with out a lot of work and nail biting. We always charted a Falcon 50 to HI when we owned our Astra just for this reason. The airplane was not designed to make the longest over water flight in the world.

Do the guy a favor tell him to get a Falcon 50 and fly it about 200 hours a year mininum. The 50 can do the mission every day and you will be flying the airplane enough to keep it out of the shop (and the crew current).

Sounds like the guy should really charter, however.

I agree with the charter thing. In fact I have told him so. However, he wants HIS airplane with HIS interior, etc.

 

[SoundBarViolatr]

Island in style

GIII or GII will do the mission in style and comfort but your operating costs will be around $4.3K/hr. Otherwise spend the xtra $ now and go with the DA50 with a much lower op cost.

Semper Per Diem

 

[Dangerkitty]

Well going to HI in a 60 is not exactly not smart

Why not? I went from Florida to the West Coast non stop all the time in a Lear 60. That is further than SFO - HNL.

 

[Lead Sled]

Why not? I went from Florida to the West Coast non stop all the time in a Lear 60. That is further than SFO - HNL.

The next time you're in Hawaii, take a look around and count the number of Lear 60s you see on the ramp there. It shouldn't take very long.

'Sled

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Why not? I went from Florida to the West Coast non stop all the time in a Lear 60. That is further than SFO - HNL.

few more places to land between FL-West coast!

Does a Lear 60 have wet footprint to Hawaii?

 

[Dangerkitty]

few more places to land between FL-West coast!

Does a Lear 60 have wet footprint to Hawaii?

Well now that you mention it I would imagine that the wet footprint is somewhat large in the 60. I guess you can also tell how many times I have flown to Hawaii. :0

 

[Dangerkitty]

Well going to HI in a 60 is not exactly not smart

Hey what a minute!! That statement you just made is a double negative. TonyC would be outraged!!

 

[G100driver]

Hey what a minute!! That statement you just made is a double negative. TonyC would be outraged!!

You are correct, my humble apologizes ... but hey I couldn't care less

 

[con-pilot]

Dollar for dollar the best bet is the Falcon 50, a used Falcon 50 with 3-D engines would be even better.

In my younger years I did fly Westwind IIs to Hawaii. Sometimes I would have to wait 2 to 4 days to get the winds to assure a dry footprint. When that happened the passengers usually took the airlines. I would not take the Westwind II to Hawaii now, just too marginal. Same with a Jetstar II or Jetstar 731.

I have flown a Falcon 50 around the world, literally, and the comfort factor of three engines over the Pacific Ocean (to paraphrase the TV commercial) is priceless.

PM me if you have any questions.