NBC Today show on East 8 Captains

[Dr. Rumack]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25715451#25715451

I'd say the media just handed these morons their a$$es.

 

[GuppyWN]

For the life of me I don't understand why this wasn't handled in house going through your union instead of your union scaring the hell out of the flying public.

Gup

 

[Tejas-Jet]

For the life of me I don't understand why this wasn't handled in house going through your union instead of your union scaring the hell out of the flying public.

Gup

Gup,

Usually, when one sees a full page ad like this...it is an indication of a failure to communicate. It is a last ditch effort on the part of the union to get managements attention.

Lets also remember the history of the labor/mgmt relations at US Air over the past few decades...it hasn't been good.

As to the guy who claims that "the media handed these morons their a$$es" in that report on NBC....yeah, if you believe in everything mgmt says, then you are probably right.

but lets remember, there is no doubt more to the story than any of us on FI.com really know.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Could it be their case has no merit and their only sympathy might come from stirring up public fears by waving the "safety" flag? I call bulls**t!!

 

[Poahi]

Could it be their case has no merit and their only sympathy might come from stirring up public fears by waving the "safety" flag? I call bulls**t!!

Maybe, but the video smacks of the same simplistic defense the airlines used over rest issues: "Legal = Safe". Take away the Captain's authority and you might as well type-rate the accountants and have them fly the airplanes from the ground. Besides, what's minimum fuel going to do for you when you're #37 for takeoff at JFK? Who is going to look like a fool when the Captain tells the pax we have to return for fuel? How much is that going to cost? Sometimes, we pilots have to protect management from themselves.

 

[denny]

Poahi,

What some of us professional aviators forget in this discussion is that the dispatchers have an equal role in this game. Pilot doesn't get his fuel? He doesn't go. Dispatcher doesn't agree with pilot? Plane doesn't move.

This situation is a prime example of a rookie and neophyte union playing the safety card in the hopes of advancing negotiations, something ALPA never lowered itself to doing. By making this non -issue an issue USAPA has made the first of the three wolf cries. They get two more opportunities before they have no credibility.

d

p.s. As a US Airways pilot I have a daily battle with dispatch to lower my fuel load. I routinely land with two hours or more of fuel above and beyond FAA required, taxi, hold, extra and contingency. I spend way too much time cruising at 20,000 feet or circling the field with the gear and flaps out burning off to max landing weight than I ever do sweating out not enough fuel.

 

[LoveGun]

This clip proves that the media is anti-labor.

 

[Poahi]

Poahi,

This situation is a prime example of a rookie and neophyte union playing the safety card in the hopes of advancing negotiations, something ALPA never lowered itself to doing. By making this non -issue an issue USAPA has made the first of the three wolf cries. They get two more opportunities before they have no credibility.

I totally agree that if you use safety as a shield, you lose all credibility and ALPA is absolutely adamantly opposed to that kind of tactic. I don't know how much fuel Airways loads, but I was responding to the comment in the video about it only meeting legal requirements. If they are boarding far beyond that, then shame on them for squandering the hard work that ALPA and others have done to prevent accidents.

It's interesting to hear that you have to fight to reduce your fuel load. I can't say I've heard that being a problem recently.

 

[DCAA320]

Ad

I actually fly for the East, got a call from my mom saying WTF.

The ad was stupid.

 

[jayme]

^^^^^^^^
your (Poahi) signature doesn't make any sense.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Don't take this personally.....

I actually fly for the East, got a call from my mom saying WTF.

The ad was stupid.

....but you might just be a mama's boy!

and did she really say WTO?

Have some warm cookies and milk and we can get through this.

 

[Whataburger]

^^^^^^^^
your (Poahi) signature doesn't make any sense.

Or cows voting for Colonel Whataburger. If he gets in office we're cooked geese, or chicken, or beef.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I actually fly for the East, got a call from my mom saying WTF.

The ad was stupid.

And expensive. You guys get assesed by Bradford and his merry band of henchmen yet?


PHXFLYR

 

[temcgrew]

....but you might just be a mama's boy!

and did she really say WTO?

Have some warm cookies and milk and we can get through this.

No, she said WTF! So, was it in a IM? LOL

 

[hyperboy]

hmm?

Stay strong my brothers!