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[Rez O. Lewshun]

It is up to the union and management to decide how a mature airline will operate. The employees may shed its union. This has been done in some cases. The compnay may close shop if it can no longer compete. This has been done in some cases. The union may elect to take pay cuts in order to keep their jobs which will still be most likely better than any other job they could find. This has been done alot. The company may elect or merge with another airline. Lots of options for a mature airline.

Does managment take paycuts? Does the old management team leave so a fresh new first year pay exec team can start?

Does management think with innovation?

Once again, all your answers and solutions are employees accepting hardship..... and of course managment as 'untouchables'

No thoughts on Lorenzo abusing the Mutual Aid program?

 

[pilotyip]

Management rules

Does managment take paycuts? Does the old management team leave so a fresh new first year pay exec team can start?

Does management think with innovation?

Once again, all your answers and solutions are employees accepting hardship..... and of course managment as 'untouchables'

No thoughts on Lorenzo abusing the Mutual Aid program?

Lorenzo was a scumbag, no doubt. He does represent typical management. Management may take pay cut, they may lose their jobs, Again management has marketable transferal skills unlike a pilot and if an airline fails or they are let go they have more options available to find employment. Managers most likely are knowledge workers as opposed to skilled labor. Source Dept of Labor definitions.
This is repeat but if fits here. This is a pilot board so saying anything in defense of management is like peeing into the wind, that is, it is going to come back to you. CEO's are not intentionally running airlines into the ground. They would very much like to succeed. For lack of other reason it would make their resume look great, they would be doing something no other CEO had ever done. Top management includes many besides the CEO, the CEO sets direction as requested by the board. The CEO has little control over the airline, the airline is run by regulation and union contracts. They are at the mercy of the purchasing public, who with Internet access has made the airline ticket a perfectly elastic commodity. There is little they can do inside their structure. Other high paid top management personnel, in Operations, Maintenance. Marketing, Legal, Finance, etc. have unique skills in dealing with large organizations. This makes them marketable when shopping for a job, unlike pilots whose skills are nearly universal. Now I will agree that CEO leadership in many cases leaves much to be desired. An issue of ATW in 2002 had an article about "Airline Management a dying breed", the article basically said no one wants to do it. The good track record CEO’s are going to other industries. With tremendous, payrolls, overhead burdens, and extremely low margins, there is no tried and true path to success. Most have tried to increase market share, but this has lead to low price and ridiculous breakeven load factors in 95% range. What is management supposed to do? Eliminating management will bring the end quicker for the airplane industry, and their salaries are insignificant to the airlines operating costs. Without management you could not operate the airline, The FAA would shut it down without approved Part 119 key management. Would the pilots step up and become management for free in their spare time? Why is every time, pilot salaries come up, they are immediately compared to top management. I saw an article in ATW in 2001 that stated at DAL there were 17 members of top management made more than the top DAL Captain. The combined top 17 salaries equaled less than 1/6 of 1% of the combined pilot salaries. If management worked for free all pilots in the company would get a 1/10 of 1% raise. (for a $100K per year pilot that would be $3/wk increase in take home) Boy that raise would really make the pilot group happy. Top management possesses skills that allow them to move from job to job and command high salaries. And every one of these managers wants to see his/her airline prosper. They just can not do

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Can you break up your post... spacing....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Does managment take paycuts? Does the old management team leave so a fresh new first year pay exec team can start?

Does management think with innovation?

Once again, all your answers and solutions are employees accepting hardship..... and of course managment as 'untouchables'

Sounds like ALPA....ALPA just imposed a contract on it's employees and the "management" didn't take a paycut....It's OK if it's ALPA doing it though....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Sounds like ALPA....ALPA just imposed a contract on it's employees and the "management" didn't take a paycut....It's OK if it's ALPA doing it though....

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Don't worry about ALPA junior, your worry is tissues!