National Airlines - KYIP - 757 FO's

[OrionFE]

So K4 is telling people that the deal on the 5 -400's fell through and that it is out for rebid. Anyone at National know anything? Just wondering if they are fibbing. Not that it would be a first.

First for what?

 

[flyboy9967]

First for what?

Fibbing.

 

[avbug]

Wishful demise and speculation by the Kalitta crews?

Hardly.

National didn't get the -400's. They picked up others, but the JAL airplanes, they didn't get. They recently took deliver of an Air France airplane, I believe.

Kalitta picked up a dozen Classics, the former NWA airplanes. And a LOT of spares, engines, etc. Some will be put in service, some likely will not.

 

[Gearmonkey]

Hardly.

National didn't get the -400's. They picked up others, but the JAL airplanes, they didn't get. They recently took deliver of an Air France airplane, I believe.

Kalitta picked up a dozen Classics, the former NWA airplanes. And a LOT of spares, engines, etc. Some will be put in service, some likely will not.

Yeah I heard 4 will fly the rest will probably get to retire in beautiful, balmy Oscoda. I don't know if will be a net gain of flying classics, I think they will be replacing -100's with them? Who knows but I sure think it's a good thing. Better than parking half your fleet and laying guys off and that's good for all of us.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Yeah I heard 4 will fly the rest will probably get to retire in beautiful, balmy Oscoda. I don't know if will be a net gain of flying classics, I think they will be replacing -100's with them? Who knows but I sure think it's a good thing. Better than parking half your fleet and laying guys off and that's good for all of us.

Spares and engines I guess. The R motors are almost as fuel efficient as the GE's plus the extra trust helps with hot and high. IMHO I see an all R powered fleet and a 100 for HNL.

And like the 400's until it's on the ramp in the restaurant colors then it is what it is - rumors.

 

[SMcC]

No I really enjoyed the Captains I flew with.
The plane was P.O.S
Although it is fairly interesting to see the almost cult like love of that turd by the old timers like your self.
Plenty of jobs in the 3rd World to keep that dream alive.... My hat is off to you

Personally I am awed by the longevity of the DC 8.

 

[FearlessFreep]

The R motors are almost as fuel efficient as the GE's plus the extra trust helps with hot and high.

As far as fuel efficiency goes, the -R Pratts aren't even close to the GE's. Typically close to 1000 PPH higher per engine than the GE's, at least for the first half of the flight. They get a bit better the lighter you get.

Do like the extra oomph from the 'R's. MGTOW of 833K # with the GE's your pretty much wheezing @ TOC / FL290 when it's hot. The -R Pratts just march right on up to cruise altitude, no worries 'mate.

The Pratts are also good entertainment, watching FO's deal with the greater idle thrust on arrival and approach. It is always fun watching them run with the engines unbalanced, thinking that all four thrust levers matched up will give them symmetrical thrust. With the AP on, in level flight, and the yoke is displaced significantly to the right or left, I would love asking the question "does this look OK to you?". Ah, a learning experience!

For real efficiency you should see the fuel flows on the GE90-110B

 

[Victor Meldrew]

As far as fuel efficiency goes, the -R Pratts aren't even close to the GE's. Typically close to 1000 PPH higher per engine than the GE's, at least for the first half of the flight. They get a bit better the lighter you get.

Do like the extra oomph from the 'R's. MGTOW of 833K # with the GE's your pretty much wheezing @ TOC / FL290 when it's hot. The -R Pratts just march right on up to cruise altitude, no worries 'mate.

The Pratts are also good entertainment, watching FO's deal with the greater idle thrust on arrival and approach. It is always fun watching them run with the engines unbalanced, thinking that all four thrust levers matched up will give them symmetrical thrust. With the AP on, in level flight, and the yoke is displaced significantly to the right or left, I would love asking the question "does this look OK to you?". Ah, a learning experience!

For real efficiency you should see the fuel flows on the GE90-110B

Agreed having flown both motors (PW & GE). You also forgot about getting the FE to play around with fuel heat whilst trying to "sync" the engines - more fun and games on a newbie!!

 

[bigsky]

Does anyone know who did get the JAL 744s? I had heard once it was Northern Air Cargo although I never knew they had aspirations to get into that market, so I kind of took that rumor loosely.
Did I read that right they were looking for qualified 747-400 captains, line check airmen to boot and offering 75K?? That has to be a record-unfortunately it is probably not.

 

[hkgorbust]

Does anyone know who did get the JAL 744s? I

As it turns out, it doesn't look like anybody has them yet.
Kalitta Air had a signed agreement with JAL to acquire the airplanes, but the Japanese bankruptcy court forced JAL to discard the deal and open it up for bidding.
National Airlines (ex-Murray Air), a subsidiary of National Air Cargo, was the high bidder and was awarded the airplanes.
Word on the street is that they aren't able to secure financing. Who knows?
I guess we'll see what happens next.

 

[embpic1]

I heard today that National was having a hard time getting financing. They were given a 30 day extension to come up with the funds. Who knows what the real story is. Time will tell.

 

[PHXFLYR]

I read somewhere that the 'planes in question landed up in Moscow with TransAero a post cold war reincarnation of the former Aeroflot; repacing their -200'S.

PHXFLYR

 

[unwashed]

I read somewhere that the 'planes in question landed up in Moscow with TransAero a post cold war reincarnation of the former Aeroflot; repacing their -200'S.

PHXFLYR

Transaero Airlines Continues Fleet Expansion in 2010
| 28.04.2010
In line with Transaero's ongoing fleet development and modernization program, the airline has signed lease agreements for the acquisition of 14 new wide-body, long–haul aircraft, including five Boeing 777s and nine Boeing 747-400s.
The Boeing 777s jetliners will be used for operations on both international and domestic routes, primarily to destinations in the Far East. The new Boeing 747-400 aircraft will replace Transaero’s Boeing 747-200 and Boeing 747-300 aircraft and will be mainly operated on international routes.
The first of the 14 leased aircraft is scheduled to be added to Transaero’s fleet in May, with others coming later this year. The newly acquired Boeing 777s have only seen limited service with Singapore Airlines while the Boeing 747-400 aircraft were previously operated by JAL.
The lease agreements for the jetliners have been approved by the Transaero Airlines Board of Directors.

They are being leased, the 5 in question are being purchased. K4 just had another bid for more 400 CA's and FO's on top of the bid that has not closed yet for classic FO's and 400's.

 

[eyeh8flt]

I was offered a job at National a couple of weeks ago. I am a current 75/76 Cap with the worldwide experience they want. They wanted to hire a group of 6 Captains to get the 75 program going. They wanted me to move to YIP and write manuals while we worked to get the 75 going. No commuting, international base. 65K/yr. Ummm, I didn't go.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

65k/yr - yeah that's low - way too low - & who wants to move to Detroit, unable to commute, and write manuals? Tough not taking a job flying the 757, it's such a good plane, but I think you made the right decision.

 

[hkgorbust]

I read somewhere that the 'planes in question landed up in Moscow with TransAero a post cold war reincarnation of the former Aeroflot; repacing their -200'S.

PHXFLYR

Transaero is a passenger carrier, so no interest there for the JAL cargo airplanes. The JAL passenger airplanes, of course.

BTW Aeroflot is still alive and well. The end of the cold war was good to them in that it allowed them to get some western airplanes.

 

[Hocus Focus]

wow nice

 

[BankAccount=0$]

aside from all of the previously posted stuff. What is National looking for in their potential new hires (either dc-8 or 757 fo?)

 

[johnsonrod]

Just heard their 757s are approaching certification. Yes, I realize the pay/benefits is pi$$ poor. No doubt about it that National sets the low bar....

That said, who are they hiring for these birds - mainly furloughed pilots? I hear the 744 is flown by furloughed UPS drivers...

What's the latest with National in terms of hiring?

 

[Gearmonkey]

Just heard their 757s are approaching certification. Yes, I realize the pay/benefits is pi$$ poor. No doubt about it that National sets the low bar....

That said, who are they hiring for these birds - mainly furloughed pilots? I hear the 744 is flown by furloughed UPS drivers...

What's the latest with National in terms of hiring?

Haven't heard of any hiring but from what I have heard, it sounds like one of the worst managed places there is.