National Air Cargo

[booo]

Adak Alaska 1969, I will PM you

PM me. Interested,

 

[OrionFE]

PM me. Interested,

Yeah, i know the incident? Had forgot about it!

 

[wingnutt]

Adak Alaska 1969, I will PM you

This one?

http://www.vpnavy.com/vp45_mishap.html

...LN20, at the bottom of the page

 

[pilotyip]

This one?

http://www.vpnavy.com/vp45_mishap.html

...LN20, at the bottom of the page

Not to get involved in thread hijack, but yep that is the one, the post by fstop above mine on the link is my hero I flew with around Vietnam. The guy with the the college degree who became a DAL Captain.

 

[crjdxr]

Not sure if this has been posted, however...

http://www.ncr102.org/

 

[ackattacker]

I just noticed this article, from a few weeks back:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...led-Afghan-plane-crash-killed-6-from-Michigan

Looks like there are several pieces of evidence which clearly point to a cargo shift during rotation, including parts left on the runway, a tire imprint on the aft pressure bulkhead, and FDR parts and bulkhead material inside one of the vehicles.

 

[sniper]

I just noticed this article, from a few weeks back:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/...led-Afghan-plane-crash-killed-6-from-Michigan

Looks like there are several pieces of evidence which clearly point to a cargo shift during rotation, including parts left on the runway, a tire imprint on the aft pressure bulkhead, and FDR parts and bulkhead material inside one of the vehicles.

RIP my friends

 

[belchfire]

Gentlemen....what is the point? Seven men are lost..and you are dissecting A/C systems? What was carried,where it was loaded,how it may have rolled here or there,what systems it might affect if it hit this or that. I understand and hope..we all can learn something from this. These men did what they ....were meant to do.
unfortunately, they went from V1 to Gods speed with no options.

The point is that this situation points out a couple of things.

First of all rather than PFE's who have been "walking the freight" for decades and have an understanding of what should be where we now have a bunch of pilots, many from pure passenger backgrounds that have minimal instruction on what they should be looking for. Yes, information is available but plodding through the Ramp manual is about as much fun as a root canal and without anesthesia-furthermore it is an exercise in futility if one doesn't understand what they are looking at.

Second, we don't deal with "floating pallets" that frequently-especially if you're used to doing runs with ULD's or normal cookie sheets and nets-for the most part the normal floor structure and nets themselves are adequate and all we have to account for is that the stuff is adequately secured to a cookie sheet and the locks are engaged.

Of course that's the perfect world. But we're freightdawgs...nothing's gonna be perfect.

Floating pallets break all of the rules of what we are used to looking at. Consult your manuals...as painful as it is try to understand them. And when you don't, start asking questions!

Get chapter and verse and look it up, that's the best way to learn-from those who have the experience and can show you what and why something is right and safe or if it is something else...