National Air Cargo 747 Crash

[Jim Smyth]

National Air Cargo 747 Crash at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan on 04-29-13. Very graphic..........................


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518

 

[Phlintstone]

RIP.

Phred

 

[BUDDHA145]

Men that's awful RIP!!! At the same time the video is incredible... Maybe it's just me but it look for a sec he was trying to turn left to lower the nose!
Still freaking shocking!! I'm sure the VDR is going to be horrible!


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[Capn Butthead]

God speed and rest in peace. Prayers for all of the families involved

 

[Jim Smyth]

Looks like the other feed is now dead. This one is working currently.

http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/bagram-air-field-crash-afghanistan-cargo-plane/

 

[Bwipilot]

Men that's awful RIP!!! At the same time the video is incredible... Maybe it's just me but it look for a sec he was trying to turn left to lower the nose!

I think it's much more likely that the plane had entering a full stall and left wing fully stalled first. Once it rolled left, the left wing regained some lift while the right wing went into full stall and the right wing fully stalled--hence the turn to the right. The 747 looked to be going almost straight up (though the video angle might be misleading) before the crash. Causes would be pilot error or cargo shifting--I'd bet on the latter.

I'll have to buy my previous loadmasters a beer (or several) the next time I run into them.

 

[Crzipilot]

Anyone notice gear still down? Cargo shift right at rotation?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I happened to witness the Fine Air 101 crash in Miami back in 97, we were at the customs ramp waiting for our turn to get cleared. A horrible helpless feeling as you immediately know what happened and that the crew will fight a hopeless fight!

We of course don't know if the load shifted in this case, but that is the logical suspect at this point in time.

Godspeed to our fellow aviators!

 

[Ty Webb]

I think it's much more likely that the plane had entering a full stall and left wing fully stalled first. Once it rolled left, the left wing regained some lift while the right wing went into full stall and the right wing fully stalled--hence the turn to the right. The 747 looked to be going almost straight up (though the video angle might be misleading) before the crash. Causes would be pilot error or cargo shifting--I'd bet on the latter.

Man, that is horrible to watch.

I was taught that, if you can't push the nose over (ie., cargo shift) your last resort before a stall is to kick it over with rudder, maybe that's what was going on. . . . but who knows? Hopefully, we'll eventually know what happened, but way too late for our unfortunate brethren. Peace to their families, friends and coworkers.

PS, that site is running Harley ads with that footage? Are you kidding me? Incredibly bad taste to try to make a buck off something like that. I won;t be going back to that site. Ever.

 

[ron burgundy]

What a bunch of A-HOLES....Analyzing and Monday quarterbacking. Men are gone,Children's life's changed forever,Families altered. You are putting the focus on how it MAY have happened. Go to the Cargo forum...see if any of the post are similar.
Narcissism..look it up or simply...stare at a mirror.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Everybody and many websites attribute the Fine Air accident to load shift, however, the NTSB report discounts this as a cause....misloaded and improper trim setting for the actual vs load sheet cg caused the accident

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Emery 17 out of Mather (Sacramento), was originally attributed to load shift.

The probably cause:


The National Transportation Safety Board determined that the probable cause of the accident was a loss of pitch control resulting from the disconnection of the right elevator control tab. The disconnection was caused by the failure to properly secure and inspect the attachment bolt.

 

[LearLove]

Hey Mods and the rest of us here. Maybe we should consider, out of respect to our fellow pilots, mechanics, flight crew and their families, taking down the links to the video that is on this site. Yes I know you can see it all over the internet. But elsewhere on the internet they are not pilots.

For once on flightinfo lets have some respect for our fellow brethren and their family. If you want to see the video find it somewhere else.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Everybody and many websites attribute the Fine Air accident to load shift, however, the NTSB report discounts this as a cause....misloaded and improper trim setting for the actual vs load sheet cg caused the accident

I realize this, but haven witnessed it, I disagree!

 

[Crzipilot]

Everybody and many websites attribute the Fine Air accident to load shift, however, the NTSB report discounts this as a cause....misloaded and improper trim setting for the actual vs load sheet cg caused the accident

I realize this, but haven witnessed it, I disagree!

Sorry Golden Falcon, but have you ever flown the 8? Fly non-sked out of MIA? Did you sit down with the DOJ FBI DOT et al, and listen to their "theories" of what happened?

Personally, I have a little doubt that there was a cargo shift. Believe a more fatal occurance......

I will tell you though the idea of the improper trim setting vs load sheet is BS.


Sorry for the hijack,

 

[doh]

Sorry Golden Falcon, but have you ever flown the 8? Fly non-sked out of MIA? Did you sit down with the DOJ FBI DOT et al, and listen to their "theories" of what happened?

Personally, I have a little doubt that there was a cargo shift. Believe a more fatal occurance......

I will tell you though the idea of the improper trim setting vs load sheet is BS.


Sorry for the hijack,

From what I hear, overloading and flat out lying about weight and content is rampant. The FA crew were screwed before they started engines.

 

[Crzipilot]

Not to mention the maintenance practices of said airline...... As to the overloading when the f/o of that aircraft mentioned to me that he figured out they probably took 10-20k lbs of more freight out of a S. American airport than I did, him flying a -61 and me a -63, departing withing an hour of each other.........they were VERY guilty of that...

 

[carl p]

Tragic. Prayers to the families of those involved.

 

[Capn Butthead]

Once again god bless to those guys. I'm just curious...does Kabul have the same type of departure as Baghdad? I'm sure that makes it even more of a handful having to do a Max rate climb because people shoot at you...I couldn't even imagine

 

[WSurf]

http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/05/national-air-flight-102-a-preliminary-report/#.UYJICiLD-pp

 

[Redmeat]

I posted over in CARGO ...because I would not have thought to look in MAJORS for this.

What is the point of having categories on this website??

 

[WSurf]

Because we are all pilots and a tragic accident like this effects all in aviation!!! That's why...

 

[IBNAV8R]

Still at a loss. How is viewing footage and discussing possible scenarios disrespectful?

I'm sure if the crew had a voice, they would tell us themselves what happened and admonish us to watch our sixes.

For us to NOT reflect and learn, the very second after, is to me disrespectful - and stupid.

 

[weasel_lips]

National Air Cargo releases statement on crash
Posted on May 2, 2013 by John McCurry


National Air Cargo released a statement saying it would not speculate as to the cause of the accident involving National Flight NCR102 in Afghanistan on Monday.

“With our full cooperation, an investigation by appropriate authorities is under way, and we encourage everyone to join us in respecting that process and allowing it to take its appropriate course,” the company said.

National Air Cargo released these facts regarding the aircraft and its movements prior to the accident:

• National Flight NCR102 was en route to Dubai from Camp Bastian and had stopped to refuel at Bagram Air Base.
• The cargo contained within the aircraft was properly loaded and secured, and had passed all necessary inspections prior to departing Camp Bastian.
• The aircraft landed safely and uneventfully in Bagram.
• No additional cargo or personnel was added during the stop in Bagram, and the aircraft’s cargo was again inspected prior to departure.

National Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of National Air Cargo Holdings. National Airlines, based in Orlando, Fla., operates scheduled and on-demand cargo service globally and charter passenger service in the Middle East.

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[ultrarunner]

Very interesting. The facts above raise even more questions...

 

[TWA Dude]

Some of those facts may not be factual.