NASA form question

[Hollywood82]

I overflew a phase inspection due to our Director of MX giving the wrong times for the phase. Should I fill out a NASA form? Will a NASA form even help?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

 

[sweptback]

Might as well. It's free and can only help you if needed. Next step is to call your union rep and safety committee.

That being said, I don't know how this could come back to haunt you unless you knew or should have known that the times were incorrect.

 

[Max Q]

Who do you work for? What's the name of the director of MX?

-Brett

 

[OUPilot]

never understood these forms. i understand them, but why stir up trouble? don't give out any information about your company on this forum either. i agree with getting your union in the mix.

 

[Mike man]

never understood these forms. i understand them, but why stir up trouble?

Maybe the worst bit of advise ever given out of FI...if you fill it out with a description of the events and the FAA comes after you (think SELF-DISCLOSURE:where your company will hang you up to dry to save their butts) you show them the receipt of your NASA ASR form they cannot take certificate action (with very minor exceptions, you did it on purpose for instance) if they come after you and you can't provide the receipt you are SOL for example: Flyinig beyond inspection interval 180 day suspension ...so I'd say fill it out...then save the little paper they send back to you.

 

[paulsalem]

Definitely fill out a NASA and ASAP form.

After it is submitted the header portion is cut off, and returned to you as a receipt, and to conceal your identity.

If you ever find yourself asking should I file an ASAP and/or NASA form, the answer is "yes". It's free insurance.

But don't forget the real reason for the form is to report safety issues.

You can even submit one online now. Here

 

[Hollywood82]

Definitely fill out a NASA and ASAP form.

After it is submitted the header portion is cut off, and returned to you as a receipt, and to conceal your identity.

If you ever find yourself asking should I file an ASAP and/or NASA form, the answer is "yes". It's free insurance.

But don't forget the real reason for the form is to report safety issues.

You can even submit one online now. Here

I filled out a NASA form and submitted it online. I'm not familiar with the ASAP form. What is the difference?

 

[paulsalem]

I filled out a NASA form and submitted it online. I'm not familiar with the ASAP form. What is the difference?

ASAP is a 121 (and perhaps 135) version of a NASA form, except it goes to the company, and the controlling FSDO. At my company the Union, POI (FED), and a company rep get together monthly to go over them.

I assumed you flew for a regional, since this is on the regional board. I think most regionals have ASAP these days.

You filed the NASA form, you are legally covered.

Someone else may be able to better explain the ASAP program.

I'm sure there is an advisory circular out there on it.

 

[Hollywood82]

ASAP is a 121 (and perhaps 135) version of a NASA form, except it goes to the company, and the controlling FSDO. At my company the Union, POI (FED), and a company rep get together monthly to go over them.

I assumed you flew for a regional, since this is on the regional board. I think most regionals have ASAP these days.

You filed the NASA form, you are legally covered.

Someone else may be able to better explain the ASAP program.

I'm sure there is an advisory circular out there on it.

I probably should have put this on the 135 board. I fly 135 now and have a class date at a regional next month.

Thanks for the info, I just hope I never hear anything about this from the Feds.

The best part about this is that the owner insisted that I fly the plane home for the phase. He expected me to put my cert. on the line to save him a couple bucks. wtf!

Thank god that this is my LAST 135 job ever!

 

[samdog]

If you submit one online, do you still get the confirmation receipt in the mail, or is the confirmation number generated after submission all you get?

 

[paulsalem]

They print our your submission and mail you the top portion.

Works pretty well.

 

[Hollywood82]

Anyone know if the FAA can do anything if you do fill out a NASA form? Does it just keep them from taking action on your certificate. Does anything go on your record? Would this be something that could hinder ones profession down the road?

 

[sweptback]

Anyone know if the FAA can do anything if you do fill out a NASA form? Does it just keep them from taking action on your certificate. Does anything go on your record? Would this be something that could hinder ones profession down the road?

Yes, the violation still goes in your file, however you are exempt from any certificate action such as a suspension.

 

[paulsalem]

This may help you out:
AC00-46D

Paragraph 5 will help you out.

I took a class on aviation law, and the aviation attorney explained: that you are protected action certificate action, not investigation, and entries in to your file.

(I think)


Edit:
Sweptback beat me to it.

 

[samdog]

They print our your submission and mail you the top portion.

Works pretty well.

How long does it take to get the receipt? I submitted one abut two weeks ago online, and was expecting the receipt by now.

 

[paulsalem]

How long does it take to get the receipt? I submitted one abut two weeks ago online, and was expecting the receipt by now.

Usually by the time I get the receipt in the mail. I open the letter up and go, oh yea, I remember filing this.

I don't remember a time line, but long enough to forget about getting a receipt.

 

[JediNein]

One month or so for the receipt.

Print out the confirmation when you submit as that will work as well as the receipt, plus, it has the benefit of no self-incriminating words on the "event type" block. I like to put down something like "pilot fun", "student fun" or "airplane fun" on the event type line. Sarcastic, completely true, yet non-descriptive, and, I think, better than "stupid airplane tricks".

 

[Soverytired]

I overflew a phase inspection due to our Director of MX giving the wrong times for the phase. Should I fill out a NASA form? Will a NASA form even help?

Thanks in advance for the answers.

Hell yes.

If you EVER think you MIGHT need to fill one out, then FILL ONE OUT. Can't hurt, and just might save your ticket. Yeah, you could get your pee-pee spanked by the FAA, but you're far more likely to get a Warning Letter than a fine/suspension.

Oh ... and in the interests of safety, yadda, yadda. But mostly, your ticket.

 

[OUPilot]

Maybe the worst bit of advise ever given out of FI...if you fill it out with a description of the events and the FAA comes after you (think SELF-DISCLOSURE:where your company will hang you up to dry to save their butts) you show them the receipt of your NASA ASR form they cannot take certificate action (with very minor exceptions, you did it on purpose for instance) if they come after you and you can't provide the receipt you are SOL for example: Flyinig beyond inspection interval 180 day suspension ...so I'd say fill it out...then save the little paper they send back to you.

I disagree about the worst advice ever. Inspections are allowed to be flown over by a specified amount of time with certain exceptions.

 

[Hollywood82]

I disagree about the worst advice ever. Inspections are allowed to be flown over by a specified amount of time with certain exceptions.

This was a 300hr phase. It could be overflown by 30hrs. The DOM had the wrong times on the status sheet. The 30hr extension was overflown.

NASA form was sent in yesterday, I hope I never have to fill one out again.