My response to SWA package!

[saabcaptain]

There are a bunch of Airtran *AND* SWA guys/girls on here stirring it up. Let me say this as what I feel is a typical line holder at SWA...

1. I stand behind SWAPA
2. I hope for a negotiated SLI because it benefits SWA, and the pilots of SWAPA work hand in hand with our management who in turn takes care of us.
3. We will never accept harm in the form of delayed upgrades, potential for upgrade etc. and such as a result of the purchase of AirTran because we feel that the pilots of AirTran will hugely benefit from being acquired by SWA because of our pay, benefits, work rules, and the stability of our company.
4. If we go to arbitration because of being unable to satisfy #3 that is fine with us. If the result is of arbitration is in anyway negative towards us (and I doubt that would be the case) I expect SWA management to do right by us.

I hope this is over soon, I look forward to working with the pilots of AirTran and I feel they will really enjoy the unique culture and benefits of being a SWA pilot. That's me though.

 

[texman]

For Mr. PLC,

Can you please show per AT's new CBA where you can make a company (AT) intergrate with SWA. If so how do you think this will hold up in federal court if AT went BK? I would like to see facts please.

 

[madjack]

PCL you said: Of course. Why wouldn't I? It's not like their new money would be coming out of my pocket.

Boy I am glad you are negotiating for us!!

 

[madjack]

Correction: I am glad you are NOT negotiating for us!

 

[madjack]

Ty said: There is only one group that threatens to ignore the Agreement if they don't get their way . . . . and it isn't the AirTran pilots.

Well Ty "keeping it real" Webb, there is only one group that has anything to lose in this deal...

What's wrong with DOH with Pay Protection for the downgraded AAI CPs?...what do you lose Ty?

 

[redflyer65]

Appearantly the ego of the left seat. Which I never understood.

 

[Crash Pad]

Ty would lose 11 pages and 165 posts of his life on this thread alone! Multiply that by a couple of threads and we have all lost 264 tfp or 70 block hours of our lives.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty would lose 11 pages and 165 posts of his life on this thread alone! Multiply that by a couple of threads and we have all lost 264 tfp or 70 block hours of our lives.

If I lost my seat, it would set a terrible precedent for future generations of pilots. Plus the sheer volume of "I told you so's" would cause flightinfo's server to crash....hell, the bandwidth required might even bring the internet to a crawl, or to a standstill.

Banks, hospitals, transportation systems, nuclear power plants... All could grind to a halt. The World, as we know it, might never be the same again.

So, I guess you could say that my motivations are humanitarian in nature.


Thank you very much.... I'll be here all week. Drink up, Shriners.

 

[waveflyer]

What's wrong with DOH with Pay Protection for the downgraded AAI CPs?...what do you lose Ty?

MJack- help out your junior bros man. DOH doesn't work for all the guys that got hired in 2008- it would mean the bottom AT guy would have at least 200 Swapa pilots underneath them at the snapshot.

SWA is a job that takes years longer to get than the AT job- there should be a few years of AT pilots under CJ. IMHO.

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

I laughed at your post this time because it was funny. I usually laugh at the absurdity. Seriously bro....."I told you so's" and bandwidth. Classic.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Agreed. The problem is that you guys don't seem to understand that it is a fair and equitable integration of seniority, not pay rates, not days off, not longevity, etc. The arbitrator will seek to implement a list in a way that, to the greatest extent possible, preserves your pre-merger career expectations.

Seriously PCL? Its becoming clearer why your MC had you recalled from the MEC. There are some fundamental facts you just aren't seeing. Maybe at AirTran you simply define your career by what seat you occupy. That demonstrates a very basic difference between the two airlines. Because a career at SWA, or FDX or UPS has literally millions more in value, its just not as simple as you make it.

If pay, QOL, benefits, retirement, etc, were not allowed for consideration, there would be no need for merger committees, or Bond-McCaskill, or even A-M 3 and 13. But those things do matter.

 

[SWA/FO]

No one is worried about precedence. This is/will be decided on it's own merits. It could happen, be ready. I worry for you Ty, I hope you are ok, mentally. Don't beat on the old lady too much.

 

[PCL_128]

For Mr. PLC,

Can you please show per AT's new CBA where you can make a company (AT) intergrate with SWA. If so how do you think this will hold up in federal court if AT went BK? I would like to see facts please.

Read the language yourself. I'm not going to waste my time litigating a scope issue on flightinfo that is never going to come up in the real world. Suffice it to say that yes, the CBA does require a merger, SWA management has agreed to abide by our scope language, and this language has already held up in court in bankruptcy proceedings (research the MAIR bankruptcy case if you're interested).

 

[Bill Nelson]

Have scope languages ever been abrogated? How did that work out for the grieving party?

Scope is good so long as you have a management team willing to abide by it. Scope language written after the fact is just an artifact on paper. Press to test if you believe ALPA lawyers are that good. i think I would take a sure thing rather than depend on ALPA and its crack legal team but that is just me.

Good Luck.

 

[madjack]

MJack- help out your junior bros man. DOH doesn't work for all the guys that got hired in 2008- it would mean the bottom AT guy would have at least 200 Swapa pilots underneath them at the snapshot.

Wave: You are correct the demographics of the AAI group make DOH a gain at the SWA pilots' expense.

Ty wants to keep his seat...He wants the money, seniority and benefits of being a SWA CP. He wants this even if SWA pilots with DOH senior to him remain SWA FOs...He wins everything and the SWA FOs "lose nothing". I'm thinking Ty was the kid in the sand box that stole all the other guys toys!

 

[Crash Pad]

AAI has 120ish hires in 2010 before the September snap shot. Just a point of order. I'm sure that still screws CJ for life. Just out of curiosity what does CJ need under him to feel good? 300? 400? What is the CJ number?

 

[Bob Dylan]

Ty wants to keep his seat...He wants the money, seniority and benefits of being a SWA CP. He wants this even if SWA pilots with DOH senior to him remain SWA FOs...He wins everything and the SWA FOs "lose nothing". I'm thinking Ty was the kid in the sand box that stole all the other guys toys!

Ty's going to be very disappointed from what I'm hearing.

 

[slaquer5]

AAI has 120ish hires in 2010 before the September snap shot. Just a point of order. I'm sure that still screws CJ for life. Just out of curiosity what does CJ need under him to feel good? 300? 400? What is the CJ number?

I cant speak for him as I have never meet him, but I would like a hot blond whos dad owns a liquor store and a bank.

 

[tankerhead]

AAI has 120ish hires in 2010 before the September snap shot. Just a point of order. I'm sure that still screws CJ for life. Just out of curiosity what does CJ need under him to feel good? 300? 400? What is the CJ number?

Plus more than 30 AAI new hires since the snapshot plus whatever SW has put on since Jan. (180 or so?)

Straight DOH plus some hefty cash incentives for the SWA guys that take any perceived career damage really seems like an easy way to go. It inflicts some pain on members from both groups and lets everyone quickly move on. Yeah, some of our guys lose the left seat, and yeah the junior SW FO's get riled up....but it's easy and logical and leaves emotion and elitist attitudes at the doorstep.

It also sets a fair precedent for the next mercuisition.

 

[tankerhead]

I cant speak for him as I have never meet him, but I would like a hot blond whos dad owns a liquor store and a bank.

Careful, her dad likely also owns several guns. Better let her on top!!!