My response to SWA package!

[Just thinking]

"Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats"...........

Exactly what was received in our "Welcome" Fedex mailer. "717 rates being negotiated" and "IF" the seniority lists are merged. Most assuredly so.

 

[Empennage]

"Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats"...........

Exactly what was received in our "Welcome" Fedex mailer. "717 rates being negotiated" and "IF" the seniority lists are merged. Most assuredly so.

Who was the author of the cover letter for the packet?

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

What part of the numbers below do you not understand?


AAI most senior CA rate 163/hr X 70hr guarantee = 11,410 per month.

SW most senior FO rate 130.24/trip X 87 guarantee = 11,330 per month.

This is using your NEW payrates as well.

Does anyone see the irony here?

Where comparing FO's to CA's here! Unbelievable.

At the end of the year Ty, believe me the FO's W-2 is going to be larger.

Could not have said it better, Red.

 

[bmpilot]

I am SWA 5th year F/O who is going to make over $200,000 this year. Last year I cleared $178,000

Ok as you can see from the number of times I have posted on here, I don't often. All I have to say is do you have a life, if you do great? Weekends off, holidays, vacation when you want? I make a total of 100K a year and enjoy what I have. If you say yes to any of to the above I will trade emails with you and the past years schedules. It ain't about money. Life is good. Good luck to you all. I really would like to see your schedules LeeRoyJenkins if it's true.

 

[bmpilot]

Ok as you can see from the number of times I have posted on here, I don't often. All I have to say is do you have a life, if you do great? Weekends off, holidays, vacation when you want? I make a total of 100K a year and enjoy what I have. If you say yes to any of to the above I will trade emails with you and the past years schedules. It ain't about money. Life is good. Good luck to you all. I really would like to see your schedules LeeRoyJenkins if it's true.

Never mind. Just enough drinks on the road. Hope it works out for all.

 

[waveflyer]

A 5 year FO making $200k is probably working the system pretty good- which usually means weekends and holidays. $150k is not. I'm tiring of AT guys not seeing the correlation between pay rate and days off/QOL. If you don't want or need to make much $$- the higher rate means you can work less days. Our efficient schedules will already mean less days for you. I don't understand how that's not common sense obvious to everyone. The reason swa guys get riled is bc we know and experience life here- the schedule, culture, and pay are better- and with 6 airlines notched in my belt- I know. The same relative seniority buys you a better life at swa than it does at AT. It's that simple.

 

[densoo]

Where comparing FO's to CA's here! Unbelievable.

Yes, unbelievable.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Forget it, their on a roll...

"their"? Their what?

 

[SWA/FO]

You're going to have to look above this post to figure what I was talking about.

 

[T44IP]

I grossed $165k last year. 7 year FO. I dont work the system. I just fly my line and average 13 days per month working. That doesn't include the 9.3% 401k match for another $15,300 per year and the profit sharing for the year of $8800. So my total compensation for a 7 year FO working no weekends and no holidays and only 13 days a month is $189,000. I don't know what Airtran's rates are but you can use these numbers for a conservative comparison.

 

[Midge]

A 5 year FO making $200k is probably working the system pretty good- which usually means weekends and holidays. $150k is not. I'm tiring of AT guys not seeing the correlation between pay rate and days off/QOL. If you don't want or need to make much $$- the higher rate means you can work less days. Our efficient schedules will already mean less days for you. I don't understand how that's not common sense obvious to everyone. The reason swa guys get riled is bc we know and experience life here- the schedule, culture, and pay are better- and with 6 airlines notched in my belt- I know. The same relative seniority buys you a better life at swa than it does at AT. It's that simple.

Nice to see the SWA pilots so humble. You do realize karma is a beyotch. And when she meets up with you, she'll have her way with you!

 

[waveflyer]

Nice to see the SWA pilots so humble. You do realize karma is a beyotch. And when she meets up with you, she'll have her way with you!

Thx for your concern about my karma. Appreciate it.

 

[redflyer65]

Nice to see the SWA pilots so humble. You do realize karma is a beyotch. And when she meets up with you, she'll have her way with you!

Humble? So when someone speaks the truth and is proud about their company and what SW and SWAPA have accomplished together, they aren't 'humble' all the sudden? Please.

 

[madjack]

Originally Posted by Midge
Nice to see the SWA pilots so humble. You do realize karma is a beyotch. And when she meets up with you, she'll have her way with you!

Is she hot?

 

[Midge]

Originally Posted by Midge
Nice to see the SWA pilots so humble. You do realize karma is a beyotch. And when she meets up with you, she'll have her way with you!

Is she hot?

And she'll come back with a vengance!

 

[ATLplt]

I'm tiring of AT guys not seeing the correlation between pay rate and days off/QOL.

Using your rationalization of pay = QOL, are you're saying that me possibly taking a staple, likely being forced out of my base, commuting to LAS, OAK, or MDW (my current commute is 25 minutes), bidding the worst vacations and lines, (or possibly on reserve after 5 years of service with AT) is worth a $30,000 raise in pay and some sort of culture change?

If I get more money, but have to commute across the country for less days at home than before, miss the holidays (that I currently hold off), and work weekends (that I currently hold off) for the next 10+ years, etc, then how is that an increase in my QOL?

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Using your rationalization of pay = QOL, are you're saying that me possibly taking a staple, likely being forced out of my base, commuting to LAS, OAK, or MDW (my current commute is 25 minutes), bidding the worst vacations and lines, (or possibly on reserve after 5 years of service with AT) is worth a $30,000 raise in pay and some sort of culture change?

If I get more money, but have to commute across the country for less days at home than before, miss the holidays (that I currently hold off), and work weekends (that I currently hold off) for the next 10+ years, etc, then how is that an increase in my QOL?

I'll bite because I think your concerns deserve an honest answer. No flame just some facts based on the most recent vacancy bid at SWA. First I think your premis is faulty because to limit moving and training costs I would assume that the company would want to fence both ATL and the 717. Even if that turns out not to be the case if you are a fairly senior F/O even if all 850ish of you were stapled that would take you out of the bottom 10 percent of the combined list. At 6 percent from the bottom of our list you can hold any base of you choice so commuting would not be in your future unless you chose to do it. I believe our lines typically have more days off than yours as well so you wouldn't be at home less. Basically in your situation the only sacrifice you might make is in schedule quality. It would be less of a schedule hit than if you upgraded for upgrade type money and better benefits.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

At 8 percent off the bottom of my domicile list in July I was able to hold weekends off on reserve with 15 days off. I could have held the same in August but chose to work weekends for better trip density. Pay wise July 96TFP guarantee if you didn't fly every day on reserve. It could be more depending on when in the month they used you and how much. It would be at least 104 TFP if you did fly every day.

 

[Bob Dylan]

Trannies on Monday morning:

http://www.reelwavs.com/movies/sounds/happy_gilmore/happy12.wav

Happy Gilmore

 

[OldManPilot]

Ty "keepin it real" Webb, so which part is not true? The FACT your company was bought by SWA, the FACT of being bought is the end of AAI growth, the FACT SWA did not need your a/c orders but bought you to eliminate a competitor.

Hey bro, you sling some pretty good arrows. On this very forum you have implied that you EXPECT to become a SWA CP as a result of this acquisition. I am a senior SWA FO with more longevity at SWA than you have at AAI...as a SWA CP you gain pay, position and seniority while I "lose nothing". All the gains cannot go to you...the AAI pilots will have to share the gains of this acquisition with the SWA pilots, that is Fair and Equitable.

I'll agree with this.

 

[Bob Dylan]

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