My response to SWA package!

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Like I said, even using the numbers that SWAPA put out, (I'm looking at 'em) the difference is over $1,000./month more for 10th yr AAI CA than 10th yr SWA FO.

These are SWAPA's numbers. What's to argue?

I am SWA 5th year F/O who is going to make over $200,000 this year. Last year I cleared $178,000

 

[madjack]

Scarlet,


Its obvious you didn't read the SWA info because you would be thanking SWA for buying AAI instead of asking the SWA pilots to thank you for being bought. You have a lot more to gain in this acquisition than any SWA pilot. SWA acquired AAI to eliminate a competitor not for your aircraft orders...as far as growth goes for AAI, well that went away the day you were sold to SWA.

You are comparing upgrade times at SWA with upgrade time at a smaller,weaker,substantially lower paying carrier. If it was so great at AAI why did so many AAI pilots leave for SWA or had apps on file??

Ty "keepin it real" Webb: Based on DOH you would be very senior SWA FO and you could pick the most productive lines, best vacation months, have the Holiday's off (or work them for holiday pay)...life would be good and if we get the growth the AAI pilots say they are bringing to this deal you would be a SWA CP very soon and then you get the big raise...what do you lose if you are pay protected?

 

[redflyer65]

Ty "keepin it real" Webb: Based on DOH you would be very senior SWA FO and you could pick the most productive lines, best vacation months, have the Holiday's off (or work them for holiday pay)...life would be good and if we get the growth the AAI pilots say they are bringing to this deal you would be a SWA CP very soon and then you get the big raise...what do you lose if you are pay protected?

His ego won't allow it. If I were given the same exact option as you lay out, I can honestly say I would jump at the chance. Without hesitation.

Best schedule, best vacation, more pay, and no left seat responsiblity? Throw a re-call to CA in that could be just around the corner? No brainer in my book.

 

[Ty Webb]

Scarlet,
SWA acquired AAI to eliminate a competitor not for your aircraft orders...as far as growth goes for AAI, well that went away the day you were sold to SWA.

Wow.

No point discussing this any further with you, you're out of your mind. It's like to trying to argue religion with some guy that's wearing a burlap sack outside of a 7-11.

WAIT! Was that you? "Burlap Man?" Holy crap!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

His ego won't allow it. If I were given the same exact option as you lay out, I can honestly say I would jump at the chance. Without hesitation.

Best schedule, best vacation, more pay, and no left seat responsiblity? Throw a re-call to CA in that could be just around the corner? No brainer in my book.

You guys sure talk a good game, but it looks like you want our captain seats badly enough to destroy your own company over them. Don't talk to me about ego.

 

[funnyman12]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs. Also most of those guys are in the 717, so it would require even more time and money...also you need 300 hrs in type to give a check ride per the FAA. Your contract requires SW pilots to be checked by SW pilots? I will imagine GK will address this with both unions....I could be wrong. Please explain how this would be feasible?

 

[redflyer65]

Here's a newsflash Ty, SWAPA or Gary won't destory anything that Herb has built over the last 40 years. You think otherwise, you're dreaming.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here's a newsflash Ty, SWAPA or Gary won't destory anything that Herb has built over the last 40 years. You think otherwise, you're dreaming.

That's good, because the way some of you guys talk, seemed like you guys were ready to piss away everything that they had worked for.

 

[ASADFW7]

The details from this week I am sure will splash across the Internet like my kid whizzing all over a public bathroom, just get it out, who cares about direction.

 

[madjack]

Ty "keepin it real" Webb, so which part is not true? The FACT your company was bought by SWA, the FACT of being bought is the end of AAI growth, the FACT SWA did not need your a/c orders but bought you to eliminate a competitor.

Hey bro, you sling some pretty good arrows. On this very forum you have implied that you EXPECT to become a SWA CP as a result of this acquisition. I am a senior SWA FO with more longevity at SWA than you have at AAI...as a SWA CP you gain pay, position and seniority while I "lose nothing". All the gains cannot go to you...the AAI pilots will have to share the gains of this acquisition with the SWA pilots, that is Fair and Equitable.

 

[madjack]

Ty "keeping it real" Webb said: That's good, because the way some of you guys talk, seemed like you guys were ready to piss away everything that they had worked for.

Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats, but the law says this acquisition has to be Fair and Equitable, you will have to share the gains of this acquistion...you gain a position on the list that bypasses SWA FOs with more longevity than you have at AAI, that is a clear windfall...what is in it for the SWA FOs?? Why do you get to gain so much??

 

[funnyman12]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs. Also most of those guys are in the 717, so it would require even more time and money...also you need 300 hrs in type to give a check ride per the FAA. Your contract requires SW pilots to be checked by SW pilots? I will imagine GK will address this with both unions....I could be wrong. Please explain how this would be feasible?

Madjack....I definitely understand and agree with many of your concerns....I quoted myself but I would like to know how GK could downgrade 400 AAI guys....seems like a huge expensive task.

 

[madjack]

Hey Funnyman...I don't know how/if it can be done, but I do know that closing the gap with the TANGIBLE gains the AAI pilots are getting as a result of this acquisition is worth it for every SWA pilot.

I can only speak for myself but I am not in the "nuclear option", staple or different pay rate for the 717 camp...hell I can't wait for you guys to get the extra $$ and benefits, but I am not going to agree that a SWA pilot should be junior (or subordinate) to an AAI pilot with less years at AAI than the SWA pilot has at SWA.

 

[funnyman12]

Understood.....im sure the MC's can/will work out a deal that addresses your concerns and some of ours too. Im still optimistic....

 

[SWA/CA]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs.

Its easy, Air Tran Pilots have to go through training REGARDLESS of what their "title" is going to be.

Management is going to take 2 Tranny 737s off line and 3 717s (if they keep them) starting in March to paint and make it look like the rest of them. At this time, probably starting in January... 2 classes a month of new FOs through the training center. Remember you guys are fat when it comes to staffing (flying a SWA schedule). Lately, they cut out flights in the winter and free up some Pilots.