My response to SWA package!

[funnyman12]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs. Also most of those guys are in the 717, so it would require even more time and money...also you need 300 hrs in type to give a check ride per the FAA. Your contract requires SW pilots to be checked by SW pilots? I will imagine GK will address this with both unions....I could be wrong. Please explain how this would be feasible?

 

[redflyer65]

Here's a newsflash Ty, SWAPA or Gary won't destory anything that Herb has built over the last 40 years. You think otherwise, you're dreaming.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here's a newsflash Ty, SWAPA or Gary won't destory anything that Herb has built over the last 40 years. You think otherwise, you're dreaming.

That's good, because the way some of you guys talk, seemed like you guys were ready to piss away everything that they had worked for.

 

[ASADFW7]

The details from this week I am sure will splash across the Internet like my kid whizzing all over a public bathroom, just get it out, who cares about direction.

 

[madjack]

Ty "keepin it real" Webb, so which part is not true? The FACT your company was bought by SWA, the FACT of being bought is the end of AAI growth, the FACT SWA did not need your a/c orders but bought you to eliminate a competitor.

Hey bro, you sling some pretty good arrows. On this very forum you have implied that you EXPECT to become a SWA CP as a result of this acquisition. I am a senior SWA FO with more longevity at SWA than you have at AAI...as a SWA CP you gain pay, position and seniority while I "lose nothing". All the gains cannot go to you...the AAI pilots will have to share the gains of this acquisition with the SWA pilots, that is Fair and Equitable.

 

[madjack]

Ty "keeping it real" Webb said: That's good, because the way some of you guys talk, seemed like you guys were ready to piss away everything that they had worked for.

Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats, but the law says this acquisition has to be Fair and Equitable, you will have to share the gains of this acquistion...you gain a position on the list that bypasses SWA FOs with more longevity than you have at AAI, that is a clear windfall...what is in it for the SWA FOs?? Why do you get to gain so much??

 

[funnyman12]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs. Also most of those guys are in the 717, so it would require even more time and money...also you need 300 hrs in type to give a check ride per the FAA. Your contract requires SW pilots to be checked by SW pilots? I will imagine GK will address this with both unions....I could be wrong. Please explain how this would be feasible?

Madjack....I definitely understand and agree with many of your concerns....I quoted myself but I would like to know how GK could downgrade 400 AAI guys....seems like a huge expensive task.

 

[madjack]

Hey Funnyman...I don't know how/if it can be done, but I do know that closing the gap with the TANGIBLE gains the AAI pilots are getting as a result of this acquisition is worth it for every SWA pilot.

I can only speak for myself but I am not in the "nuclear option", staple or different pay rate for the 717 camp...hell I can't wait for you guys to get the extra $$ and benefits, but I am not going to agree that a SWA pilot should be junior (or subordinate) to an AAI pilot with less years at AAI than the SWA pilot has at SWA.

 

[funnyman12]

Understood.....im sure the MC's can/will work out a deal that addresses your concerns and some of ours too. Im still optimistic....

 

[SWA/CA]

I agree with many comments on here but at the same time GK is not going to want to downgrade 400 AAI pilots and upgrade 400 SW fo's....you have to take those pilots off the line, cover their flying, and $20,000 per pilot training costs.

Its easy, Air Tran Pilots have to go through training REGARDLESS of what their "title" is going to be.

Management is going to take 2 Tranny 737s off line and 3 717s (if they keep them) starting in March to paint and make it look like the rest of them. At this time, probably starting in January... 2 classes a month of new FOs through the training center. Remember you guys are fat when it comes to staffing (flying a SWA schedule). Lately, they cut out flights in the winter and free up some Pilots.

 

[Just thinking]

"Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats"...........

Exactly what was received in our "Welcome" Fedex mailer. "717 rates being negotiated" and "IF" the seniority lists are merged. Most assuredly so.

 

[Empennage]

"Hey there big guy...no ones talking "nuclear option", staple, different pay rates for the 717 etc...no threats"...........

Exactly what was received in our "Welcome" Fedex mailer. "717 rates being negotiated" and "IF" the seniority lists are merged. Most assuredly so.

Who was the author of the cover letter for the packet?

 

[GoodTimes]

Ty,

What part of the numbers below do you not understand?


AAI most senior CA rate 163/hr X 70hr guarantee = 11,410 per month.

SW most senior FO rate 130.24/trip X 87 guarantee = 11,330 per month.

This is using your NEW payrates as well.

Does anyone see the irony here?

Where comparing FO's to CA's here! Unbelievable.

At the end of the year Ty, believe me the FO's W-2 is going to be larger.

Could not have said it better, Red.

 

[bmpilot]

I am SWA 5th year F/O who is going to make over $200,000 this year. Last year I cleared $178,000

Ok as you can see from the number of times I have posted on here, I don't often. All I have to say is do you have a life, if you do great? Weekends off, holidays, vacation when you want? I make a total of 100K a year and enjoy what I have. If you say yes to any of to the above I will trade emails with you and the past years schedules. It ain't about money. Life is good. Good luck to you all. I really would like to see your schedules LeeRoyJenkins if it's true.

 

[bmpilot]

Ok as you can see from the number of times I have posted on here, I don't often. All I have to say is do you have a life, if you do great? Weekends off, holidays, vacation when you want? I make a total of 100K a year and enjoy what I have. If you say yes to any of to the above I will trade emails with you and the past years schedules. It ain't about money. Life is good. Good luck to you all. I really would like to see your schedules LeeRoyJenkins if it's true.

Never mind. Just enough drinks on the road. Hope it works out for all.

 

[waveflyer]

A 5 year FO making $200k is probably working the system pretty good- which usually means weekends and holidays. $150k is not. I'm tiring of AT guys not seeing the correlation between pay rate and days off/QOL. If you don't want or need to make much $$- the higher rate means you can work less days. Our efficient schedules will already mean less days for you. I don't understand how that's not common sense obvious to everyone. The reason swa guys get riled is bc we know and experience life here- the schedule, culture, and pay are better- and with 6 airlines notched in my belt- I know. The same relative seniority buys you a better life at swa than it does at AT. It's that simple.

 

[densoo]

Where comparing FO's to CA's here! Unbelievable.

Yes, unbelievable.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Forget it, their on a roll...

"their"? Their what?

 

[SWA/FO]

You're going to have to look above this post to figure what I was talking about.

 

[T44IP]

I grossed $165k last year. 7 year FO. I dont work the system. I just fly my line and average 13 days per month working. That doesn't include the 9.3% 401k match for another $15,300 per year and the profit sharing for the year of $8800. So my total compensation for a 7 year FO working no weekends and no holidays and only 13 days a month is $189,000. I don't know what Airtran's rates are but you can use these numbers for a conservative comparison.